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[0:35] <alongst> Anyone tried charging the TB not from the provided adapter? for instance, from an external battery like the tekkon mp3750, or from usb?
[0:47] <martinh> nope. but as long as it delivers 5v at a minimum of whatever amperage the adaptor provides it should be fine.
[0:48] <martinh> though. . .what you'ld want an external batter for on that thing, I have NO idea.
[0:48] <martinh> it's like rigging extra gas cans on your prius.
[0:49] <Meizirkki> http://innovatingtouch.com/index.php?topic=53.0
[0:49] <jvs> don't be so hard with the touchbook
[0:49] <jvs> and compare it with a prius
[0:49] <jvs> *to a prius
[0:49] <Meizirkki> The TB doesn't suck all the 14A my charger is able to do .. it has some kind of a control
[0:50] <jvs> Meizirkki, hopefully
[0:50] <martinh> yours provides 14A? holy cow.
[0:51] <dpb> I currently using one that gives 2A that I found
[0:51] <dpb> I'm*
[0:52] <Meizirkki> dpb, how long till both batteries full? :)
[0:52] <dpb> I don't know, I left it to charge for ~13-14 hours
[0:52] <jvs> one day charging it, one day using it
[0:53] <dpb> Anyway, I need to go buy one of my own, this is from work. Can't use it forever.
[0:54] <andrewgodwin> dpb: did you not get a charger with it?
[0:54] <dpb> with the touchbook? yeah, but it's dead
[0:55] <andrewgodwin> ouch.
[0:56] <Meizirkki> Muahaha, dolphin playing a video :D http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/UbuntuOnTheTouchBook#5394565039321691906
[0:56] <dpb> How well does it play?
[0:57] <Meizirkki> is plays pretty good
[0:57] <dpb> fullscreen too?
[0:57] <Meizirkki> if i open it in dragonplayer and fullscreen it, ther might me a little lag
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[0:59] <Meizirkki> i doesn't have any hw-acceleration yet though, so i think video near 512x400 is pretty good :)
[1:00] <Meizirkki> no sound yet.. i don't know what
[1:00] <Meizirkki> 's needed to get that working
[1:05] <Meizirkki> has someone tested hoe good the AIOS plays videos ?
[1:14] <Corsac> my touchbook's here!!
[1:14] <Stskeeps> woo
[1:22] <Meizirkki> wohoo
[1:23] <Meizirkki> Corsac, gonna play with the AIOS a liitle while or install debian right away ? :)
[1:24] * Meizirkki had AIOS installed less than 16 hours since it arrived :P
[1:28] <Corsac> Meizirkki: I don't have wifi at work so I'll play a bit with it I guess
[1:28] <Corsac> Meizirkki: but yeah I plan to install debian quite fast
[1:28] <Corsac> though the only sdcard I have atm is the mer install for n810
[1:28] <Corsac> hmhm, where's the default battery plugin?
[1:29] <Meizirkki> Corsac, lshal | grep battery :P
[1:31] <Meizirkki> which leads to question, where's the default terminal emulator :)
[1:37] <Corsac> in Menu/System
[1:38] <Corsac> shouldn't I have two batteries in lshal though?
[1:41] <Meizirkki> yes i think
[1:41] <Meizirkki> i have nevcer been able to see both batteries correctly though
[1:41] <Meizirkki> only the bottom battery seems to be shown
[1:42] <martinh> the top battery isn't reporting correctly yet.
[1:42] <Corsac> ok
[1:43] <Corsac> so it charges first the bottom battery
[1:43] <Corsac> (since I see the percentage moving)
[1:43] <Corsac> (the magnets are indeed...)
[1:44] <Meizirkki> yes, the magnets are mission impossible
[1:48] <Corsac> did you manage in the end?
[1:49] <martinh> I believe it charges the top first. . .but, it doesn't report correctly.
[1:50] <Corsac> at least lshal reports a changing percentage on the one it reports :)
[1:51] <Corsac> hmhm, and the power plug is on the bottom part
[1:51] <Corsac> how people which ordered only the top one will charge it?
[1:54] <alongst> martinh: not an extra battery exactly, I want to solar charge it.
[1:55] <Meizirkki> Corsac, there's a hole for the charger in the top-part too
[1:55] <Corsac> ho ok
[1:55] * Meizirkki got the magnets separated with pressure-tongs
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[1:56] <martinh> alongst: ah. that's totally different. :-> so do I. the charger takes 5v, and stock one provides 3.5A. as long as your array can provide that you're fine.
[1:57] <martinh> Assuming most solar chargers have the circuitry to prevent drawing power when it goes dark.
[1:57] <alongst> martinh: this one does afaik (sunlinq 25w). Still not set up though.
[1:58] <Corsac> what about the black tape on the magnets?
[2:00] <Meizirkki> is supposed to be agains the TB cover
[2:00] <Meizirkki> Corsac, so it won't slide
[2:01] <Corsac> yeah, that's the problem
[2:01] <martinh> hmmm. i wonder if someone has a bluetoothy version of synergy. . .
[2:01] <Corsac> it won't slide :)
[2:02] <Corsac> someone give me a hammer!
[2:02] <martinh> would be cool to use for those situations where you can't get a network connection between the two computers.
[2:02] <Corsac> martinh: you could go networking over bluetooth
[2:02] * Meizirkki gives Corsac a hammer
[2:02] <martinh> Corsac: you need a sharp corner of a counter or desk.
[2:03] <martinh> they will seperate once you get them started.
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[2:03] <Corsac> my desk is not sharp enough I think
[2:03] <martinh> Corsac: yea. I'm contemplating that. but, occasionally that's not quite possible. I guess even something that could make a computer look like a bluetooth keyboard/mouse would be fine.
[2:03] <Corsac> and you need a non metal desk :)
[2:04] <Corsac> martinh: that should be doable
[2:04] <martinh> yea. probably it. I used a corner of my kitchen counter and it worked.
[2:04] <Meizirkki> Corsac, i tried for 15 minutes and didn't get the magnets separated by pushing against the desk
[2:05] <Meizirkki> pressure tongs worked better, those magnets are beasts
[2:05] * Corsac wonders about using its thinkpad
[2:05] <Corsac> (what are pressure tongs?)
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[2:08] <martinh> ask and ye shall receive: http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php
[2:08] <martinh> dear internets, you rock. thanks.
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[2:09] <Meizirkki> Corsac, sorry my english, i don't know the word, but look at the metal-coloured in the middle of this pic http://jumi.lut.fi/elko/kuvat/pihdit3.jpg
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[2:10] <Corsac> woooh, I got one
[2:11] <martinh> Meizirkki: called vicegrips around here.
[2:12] <Corsac> I have to admit I'm afraid they'll stick on the fridge and not on the touchbook :p
[2:12] <martinh> Corsac: put the sticky rubbery stuff on the touchbook. it'll hang just fine.
[2:12] * martinh did it.
[2:12] <Meizirkki> martinh, thanks
[2:14] <martinh> also. . .need to figure out ashrc stuff so I can make the terminal work better for me.
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[3:11] <Corsac> hmhm, in /sys/class/power_supply I have the two batteries
[3:12] <Corsac> one is called twl4030 and the other bq27200-0
[3:14] <dpb> yep
[3:14] <dpb> bq = bottom, twl = top
[3:14] <Corsac> ok, so bottom is charged
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[3:16] <Corsac> hmhm, weird
[3:17] <Corsac> the bottom battery has negative current (as if it was discharging) and stay at 100
[3:17] <Corsac> the top battery has positive current (so charging) and stays at 50
[3:18] <Meizirkki> Anyone has idea what's wrong with omap3 driver ? http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Problems#5394624673695562114
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[3:25] <andrewgodwin> weird, my charger only draws 0.07A
[3:26] <andrewgodwin> i'm not sure I believe this power meter
[3:27] <andrewgodwin> 9W for an entire device? bah.
[3:34] <Meizirkki> andrewgodwin, how are you testing it ?
[3:36] <andrewgodwin> Meizirkki: I have one of those plug-in power meters
[3:36] <andrewgodwin> since my inductive one won't work on the cable
[3:42] <martinh> huh. i can't believe how much trouble i'm having figuring out how to edit the exact command a particular menu option executes.
[3:43] <martinh> specifically, the terminal one.
[3:43] <martinh> it doesn't seem like this should be so difficult.
[4:00] * koen mentions the panel is using the ass-backwards xfce panel
[4:01] <andrewgodwin> yes, it's icky
[4:01] <andrewgodwin> but, lightweight, I guess
[4:02] * andrewgodwin is having a go at writing his own panel for fun and no profit
[4:02] <martinh> i'm actually contemplating just moving aside the terminal binary and replacing it with a script to do what I want.
[4:03] <martinh> and man that's icky.
[4:03] <andrewgodwin> what do you want to do?
[4:04] <andrewgodwin> (I've tried to find where the menu is defined, and can't)
[4:04] <andrewgodwin> it's not in /etc/xdg like usual
[4:04] <andrewgodwin> unless they hid all the other .desktops...
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[4:05] <martinh> I want terminal to fire up a bash instead of the default login shell, but don't want to change the default login shell in case there's something horrid that relies on it.
[4:05] <andrewgodwin> ah, right
[4:06] <martinh> which should, in theory, be an easy easy change.
[4:08] <andrewgodwin> have you tried editing /usr/share/applications/Terminal.desktop ?
[4:08] <martinh> like, one line in some config file or something.
[4:12] <martinh> doesn't seem to be it.
[4:15] <koen> I have a feeling xfce-panel is ass-backward because it doesn't use .desktop files
[4:16] <dpb> Yay, got ubuntu running on the touchbook.
[4:20] <andrewgodwin> koen: :s
[4:20] <andrewgodwin> it's not that hard to do, I started my panel yesterday and it already uses them for its menu
[4:21] <andrewgodwin> admittedly it doesn't build a tree out of them yet, but even if you specify the tree in a conf you'll point it at .desktops
[4:22] <Meizirkki> dpb, jaunty /karmic ?
[4:22] <Meizirkki> dpb, original kernel?
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[4:25] <dpb> Meizirkki: Karmic and original kernel, just posted simple instructions to the forum
[4:26] <dpb> I don't have X running yet.
[4:27] <dpb> (Not even installed yet)
[4:27] <dpb> usb-ethernet seems to work nicely
[4:28] <Eruquen> what adapter do you use?
[4:29] <dpb> D-Link DUB-E100
[4:30] <andrewgodwin> dpb: does it natively use the framebuffer correctly, then?
[4:30] <andrewgodwin> i.e. the console appears at 1024x600
[4:31] <Meizirkki> andrewgodwin, yes
[4:31] <andrewgodwin> excellent
[4:32] <Meizirkki> dpb: just FYI, touchscreen will not work if xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is installed :)
[4:32] * NPX is now known as npx
[4:33] <dpb> ok
[4:36] <dpb> Meizirkki: how's your wireless? :)
[4:37] <Meizirkki> can't get ralink dongle to work in ubuntu/Mer :(
[4:43] <dpb> "dma_free_coherent: bad page in kernel page table" errors?
[4:44] <dpb> Meizirkki: can you get some other dongle to work?
[4:45] <Meizirkki> yes, my d-link
[4:45] <Meizirkki> it has also ralink chip, but it's drivers are in the kernel
[4:45] <Meizirkki> the dongle which comes with TB is irritating
[4:49] <npx> may is disturb you?
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[4:51] <Meizirkki> the whole chan or someone ? :D
[4:52] <npx> 13:53:24 > <Meizirkki> +the whole chan or someone ? :D
[4:52] <npx> are you putting those plusses b4 each line with a purpose or does just my bnc fuck up?
[4:53] <Stskeeps> i'd say bnc fuck up
[4:53] <Meizirkki> i didn't put a + there..
[4:53] <npx> i c thanks :D
[4:53] <npx> how much space will mer take, cause i got a 2gig sd card her and i'd love to give it a shot
[4:54] <Stskeeps> we fit in 2 mb
[4:54] <Stskeeps> err
[4:54] <Stskeeps> gig
[4:54] <npx> who's we? :D
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[5:01] <Stskeeps> Mer
[5:01] <Stskeeps> :P
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[5:18] <andrewgodwin> damn, there goes the idea of using a usb-vga adapter
[5:18] <andrewgodwin> plugged one in, the entire usb subsystem cut out
[5:18] <andrewgodwin> i think it drew too much power
[5:19] <mjr> there goes the idea of using that spesific one at least...
[5:20] <mjr> how's the usb hanging otherwise these days, no large-scale major problems?
[5:21] <Eruquen> what about additional power just for that usb connection?
[5:21] <Eruquen> couldn't you just put a battery inbetween? (with the right voltage ofc)
[5:24] <andrewgodwin> mjr: I've not had ant others
[5:24] <andrewgodwin> Eruquen: yes, you could use a powered USB hub
[5:24] <andrewgodwin> alas, I don't have one lying around
[5:25] <andrewgodwin> there were similar issues with USB host mode on the N800 as well
[5:32] <andrewgodwin> Macer: I'm going to, when I find one
[5:33] <andrewgodwin> however, with the prevalence of USB buses that could probably power barbequeues, I've not needed one recently
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[5:35] <Corsac> mnpf, the top battery doesn't move from 50%
[5:36] <Corsac> with or without
[5:36] <Corsac> and it doesnt report "down" to 50
[5:36] <Corsac> it was 50 when I first plugged it
[5:36] <Corsac> and it's still 50
[5:37] <dpb> There's no app list for 09-c either in the wiki..
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[5:37] <andrewgodwin> mine is either 5% or 55%
[5:38] <andrewgodwin> always.
[5:38] <Corsac> (this is from /sys/class/power_supply btw)
[5:39] <dpb> Corsac: /sys/class/power_supply/twl4030_bci_battery/capacity?
[5:40] <Corsac> yes
[5:40] <Corsac> (fuck, I just stuck two magnets ><)
[5:40] <dpb> I can get mine apart by fingers.
[5:40] <dpb> Wasn't possible yesterday though..
[5:40] <andrewgodwin> mine got stuck on my car for a while
[5:41] <dpb> table edge helps quite a lot
[5:41] <dpb> Corsac: btw, my capacity has been 90 all day
[5:41] <Corsac> yeah, I have the technic now
[5:42] <dpb> lol
[5:42] <andrewgodwin> i really wish my top battery reporting worked, as it seems to be the thing that runs down first
[5:43] <Corsac> erf, though adding the magnets to the top doesn't really help for the tipping :)
[5:43] <andrewgodwin> or add the magnets to the kb? :)
[5:43] <andrewgodwin> not sure that's going to help you stick it to stuff, though
[5:47] <Corsac> yes
[5:48] <Corsac> actually it's nice
[5:48] <Corsac> you can use it in tablet mode with the keyboard attached
[5:48] <Corsac> so you have more weight, but more battery life
[5:48] <Corsac> (though maybe you should remove the magnets first)
[5:49] <Corsac> ha yes, I should try that memory card
[5:49] <Stskeeps> Macer: there's a guide on forums for ubuntu now i think
[5:50] <Eruquen> http://alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=234#p1781
[5:51] <Corsac> ha damn
[5:51] <Corsac> this is a micro sd
[5:51] <Corsac> and I don't have my adaptor
[5:51] <Stskeeps> Macer: full guide from meiz it seems
[5:51] * Macer goes to do it
[5:53] <Stskeeps> it's probably just DPMS enabled or something
[5:54] <andrewgodwin> it's a shame Debian armel is compiled for v4
[5:54] <Corsac> why?
[5:54] <andrewgodwin> ubuntu's quite a heavy base to strip down
[5:54] <andrewgodwin> although, to be fair, their packages are mostly the same
[5:54] <Corsac> you know not all armel stuff is v7?
[5:54] <andrewgodwin> I know, I mean in this case!
[5:55] <andrewgodwin> of course they need v4, it wouldn't run on all the other stuff otherwise :)
[5:55] <dpb> Yay, wireless working on Ubuntu.
[5:55] <andrewgodwin> basically, I want a pony
[5:55] <andrewgodwin> dpb: how?
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[5:55] <dpb> Copied /etc/Wireless from the TBOS image
[5:55] <dpb> it has some .dat file that's needed
[5:55] <Corsac> wired?
[5:56] <dpb> wired worked well with a usb-ethernet adapter
[5:56] <dpb> 15:56:59 dpb :: Yay, wireless working on Ubuntu.
[5:56] <andrewgodwin> ah, interesting. That's going to make me installing ubu a lot more likely
[5:56] <dpb> Yes.
[5:57] <dpb> Just need to copy the right files over.
[5:57] <andrewgodwin> dpb: karmic?
[5:57] <dpb> yes
[5:57] <andrewgodwin> squee.
[5:58] <dpb> The kernel driver still gives weird messages.
[5:59] <dpb> the bootup takes a while.. setting keymap and console font seems to take way too long..
[5:59] <dpb> Macer: Meizirkki has
[5:59] <dpb> Macer: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/UbuntuOnTheTouchBook#5394565039321691906
[5:59] <andrewgodwin> it's slow but useable apparently
[5:59] <Stskeeps> dpb: yeah, that's insane everywhere
[5:59] <dpb> Macer: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/UbuntuOnTheTouchBook#5394279110243360802
[6:00] * Macer redies the SD
[6:00] <dpb> :)
[6:03] <dpb> no, I followed beagleboard instructions how to partition the sd-card
[6:03] <Stskeeps> we found earlier we can skip the squashfs crap totally too :P
[6:04] <dpb> I only have two partitions, vfat for the first, containing the kernel, and ext3 on the second
[6:04] <dpb> I should try adding a swap too..
[6:05] <dpb> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxBootDiskFormat
[6:06] <andrewgodwin> what's wrong with squashfs?
[6:06] <Stskeeps> Macer: easier for bootloaders
[6:06] <andrewgodwin> if you're bundling images, it's great
[6:07] <Stskeeps> andrewgodwin: on a debian/ubuntu system it'll diverge towards mostly being on ext3 in time
[6:07] <dpb> andrewgodwin: much more work to have ubuntu on a squashfs
[6:08] <dpb> 8GB is quite large enough for me. Maybe even 4GB would do.
[6:09] <dpb> I'm going to keep my real data files on a usb stick
[6:09] <dpb> (So I can swap sd-cards for different OSes easily)
[6:10] <andrewgodwin> Hrm, I guess. I just quite like squash's space-saving
[6:11] <andrewgodwin> but if you have a single root image there's no need for that or the unioning, really
[6:12] <andrewgodwin> and considering a 16GB usb stick is under ??20, I like dpb's idea
[6:13] <dpb> And easier to swap usb sticks than sd-cards, if the space happens to be tight.
[6:14] <andrewgodwin> well, kinda
[6:14] <andrewgodwin> I have a usb sd card reader, which can probably fill the gap :)
[6:14] <dpb> I'll write a proper wiki page to install Ubuntu at some point
[6:15] <dpb> True, a sd card reader would work too ;)
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[6:18] <andrewgodwin> it might be worth maintaining an actual build people can just dd onto the card, if it gets popular
[6:18] <andrewgodwin> and if the build process is fully scriptable :)
[6:18] <dpb> yeah, but that still has the problem of usernames. People might want to change it, what's the easiest way on a ready built image?
[6:19] <andrewgodwin> hrm, a new-user script?
[6:19] <andrewgodwin> debian used to have one that appeared on first boot
[6:19] <Stskeeps> we have a first boot wizard in mer
[6:20] <andrewgodwin> yes, that
[6:20] <andrewgodwin> hell, I'll give it a go tonight
[6:20] <dpb> I should try Mer at some point too
[6:21] <Stskeeps> i will be interested to see what kind of power savings mer would give on a touchbook.. especially if ondemand works on the kernel
[6:22] <andrewgodwin> yeah, it'd be interesting
[6:22] <andrewgodwin> you can just pull in standard ubu packages in Mer, right?
[6:22] <andrewgodwin> i presume that's the "ubuntu base"
[6:22] <Stskeeps> 95% yeah.. due to hildon we need maemo gtk
[6:22] <andrewgodwin> ah, hildon
[6:23] <andrewgodwin> it does have the oh-so-useful automatic onscreen keyboard, though :)
[6:24] <Stskeeps> switching to thumb keyboard in next version probably.. and stylus if anyone steps up and codes it
[6:24] <Stskeeps> https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1356&action=view
[6:24] <andrewgodwin> ooh
[6:25] <andrewgodwin> presumably some design differences can be made for the TB
[6:25] <andrewgodwin> since it has a lower DPI
[6:25] <andrewgodwin> did you say you had it booting?
[6:26] * andrewgodwin should really stop being lazy and go read the forums
[6:26] <Stskeeps> well i dont personally..
[6:27] <Stskeeps> but yeah, theming is possible
[6:33] <dpb> yea
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[6:39] <dpb> Yes
[6:39] <dpb> 50MB is plenty
[6:40] <andrewgodwin> a 50mb kernel would be very impressive
[6:40] <andrewgodwin> yes, that too
[6:41] <andrewgodwin> just replace all config options in .config with "y"
[6:41] <andrewgodwin> that'll be fine
[6:41] <andrewgodwin> "support for a bus only three computers ever used? throw it in!"
[6:42] <andrewgodwin> hah, yes
[6:42] <andrewgodwin> no, they predate me
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[6:43] <andrewgodwin> heh. They do look like someone went "hrm, winmodems aren't bad enough"
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[6:47] <dpb> Macer: yeah, I didn't use a swap (yet)
[6:47] <Meizirkki> can someone get me "lsmod | grep rt" from a connected Touch Book with AIOS=
[6:47] <Meizirkki> ?
[6:48] <Corsac> not connected atm
[6:48] <dpb> Meizirkki: I got wireless working
[6:48] <Meizirkki> with the original dongle, how?
[6:48] <dpb> Yes
[6:48] <Meizirkki> O_o
[6:48] <dpb> I copied /etc/Wireless to Ubuntu :)
[6:48] <Meizirkki> thanks a lot !
[6:49] <dpb> I *was* getting prepared to rip the case off my a-link wireless card when I get home.. but then I got it to work
[6:50] <andrewgodwin> Meizirkki: it's rt3070sta, btw
[6:50] <andrewgodwin> but yes, dpb has worked magic
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[6:50] <Corsac> but isn't it supposed to work with free drivers?
[6:50] <Meizirkki> andrewgodwin, i knew the module and has it loaded, i was just unable to put the interface up
[6:50] <Corsac> or is that a firmware?
[6:51] <Meizirkki> dpb, are you having this problem: when you creat a new user and try to log in, it says: you must change you password immediately (root enforced)
[6:51] <Meizirkki> in ubuntu
[6:52] <dpb> I don't know, haven't created a new user
[6:52] <Meizirkki> k
[6:53] <dpb> I just installed X, and used startx to come up with a terminal
[6:53] <dpb> The instructions on the Mer thread are overly complicated
[6:54] <Stskeeps> dpb: yeah, iterative process - now we're at kernel + ext3 fs
[6:54] <Meizirkki> dpb, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Touch_Book
[6:55] <dpb> Oh, I thought you meant the ones in the touchbook forums
[6:55] <dpb> Meizirkki: yeah, how did you get it? :)
[6:55] <Meizirkki> Macer, create one with rootstock
[6:55] <Meizirkki> dpb, get what?
[6:56] <dpb> The image. Rootstock was all I needed.
[6:56] <Meizirkki> Macer, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
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[6:57] <andrewgodwin> Macer: use a VM?
[6:58] <dpb> boot a live cd? :)
[6:58] <andrewgodwin> dance the funky chicken?
[6:58] <andrewgodwin> probably, but a VM will be easier
[6:58] <andrewgodwin> i'm sure you can download 'em
[6:59] <dpb> If you have some harddisk space to use for the building, sure, a live cd will work
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[7:01] <Meizirkki> Macer, if you wan't a kubuntu image i can create you one
[7:01] <dpb> Neither is suitable for a low-end device like this IMHO
[7:02] <Meizirkki> I can use ubuntu-one-cloud for hosting :P
[7:02] <andrewgodwin> yeah, I'd say a device this low-powered doesn't want gnome or kde
[7:02] <Meizirkki> KDE runs fine :D
[7:03] <andrewgodwin> well, it's always had a better footprint than gnome, I guess
[7:03] <dpb> hmm, how does the touchbook keep time?
[7:03] <dpb> my clock goes to 1.1.1970 everytime I boot my ubuntu..
[7:04] * Meizirkki updated Mer wiki's Touch Book installation guide to have working USB.
[7:04] <andrewgodwin> at least get rid of that ludicrous 3D interface thing
[7:05] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: what was the USB issue?
[7:05] <andrewgodwin> i've never managed to actually spin it
[7:05] <dpb> I started an app accidentally with it.
[7:06] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, none of the USB devices worked
[7:07] <andrewgodwin> Maemo really have the touch ui down to a t
[7:07] <andrewgodwin> five years of research and fiddling, dammit
[7:07] <dpb> down to a t?
[7:07] <andrewgodwin> dpb: it's a British phrase, meaning "done really quite well"
[7:08] <andrewgodwin> i have no idea of its origin
[7:08] <dpb> I see.
[7:08] <dpb> And yeah, the Maemo5 UI is quite nice. Pity the rest of the OS is so horrible..
[7:08] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, with the original kernel, the screen goes black for half second after inserting any USB device (probably some sort of power control) with your kernel, nothing happens and i think the device plugged doesn't get any power..
[7:09] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: k
[7:09] <Stskeeps> dpb, it isn't half bad really
[7:10] <andrewgodwin> hrm, the n900's more powerful than the TB, isn't it?
[7:10] <dpb> andrewgodwin: no
[7:11] <dpb> andrewgodwin: yeah, they have about the same hardware
[7:11] <andrewgodwin> ah, no, it's almost the same
[7:11] <andrewgodwin> weird, i thought it had 512mb ram
[7:11] <andrewgodwin> no idea why
[7:11] <dpb> they advertise 1GB of application memory :P
[7:11] <andrewgodwin> yes, but it's 75% swap ;)
[7:11] <dpb> yep
[7:11] <andrewgodwin> sneaky
[7:12] <andrewgodwin> but, to be fair, solid-state swap is better than hard-drive based
[7:13] <dpb> I need to go shopping and home now, be back later ->
[7:14] <Stskeeps> to beh onest, with the multitasking capable, it feels like 1gb
[7:15] * Meizirkki thinks Karmic boots up _fast_ on the Touch Book
[7:16] <Corsac> mpf, 540??? for the n900 is still a bit too much ><
[7:21] <Meizirkki> I don't think it's badly overprized but too much for me anyway :P
[7:22] <andrewgodwin> Corsac: yeah, I want one, but ??500? sheesh
[7:22] <Meizirkki> how to set TB hw clock btw?
[7:22] <andrewgodwin> I should have spent some more time doing stuff on the maemo forums, my karma was halfway to the developer-discount-limit
[7:23] <Meizirkki> my Karma was 216, 16 over the limit :D
[7:23] <Meizirkki> muahaha
[7:23] <Meizirkki> but 300? is too much still
[7:23] <Meizirkki> (for me right now)
[7:24] <andrewgodwin> Meizirkki: yeah, even that was quite high this time around
[7:25] <andrewgodwin> but given I'll probably buy one anyway (I last bought a phone in 2002), it would have been nice
[7:27] <Corsac> Meizirkki: buy it and send it to me!
[7:27] <Corsac> (my karma is like, 9 :/ )
[7:27] <Meizirkki> Corsac, hmm, isn't that kinda cheating..
[7:27] <Meizirkki> :P
[7:28] <Corsac> Meizirkki: definitely
[7:28] <andrewgodwin> no me! my karma's higher! :P
[7:28] <Corsac> though, I'm not sure it's forbbiden (maybe)
[7:28] <Corsac> Meizirkki: you might want to give/sell a developer n900 to a ???willing??? new developer
[7:28] <Meizirkki> if i do that, i guess i won't get a discount of the next super-awesome maemo product heh ;P
[7:29] <Corsac> Meizirkki: I mean, it might be authorized
[7:29] <Corsac> thought it's not really certain :)
[7:29] <andrewgodwin> I believe Quim said that he;s happy people trading them
[7:29] <Corsac> (I guess the developer program is only about one n900 though?)
[7:30] <andrewgodwin> somewhere in the ??ber-long thread
[7:30] <andrewgodwin> Corsac: correct, like all previous dev programs
[7:30] <andrewgodwin> to be fair, I got on the n800 and n810 ones
[7:30] <andrewgodwin> but I did buy my 770 outright
[7:30] <Corsac> hmhm, where's the karma stuff?
[7:31] <Corsac> in talk.maemo or wiki.maemo?
[7:31] <andrewgodwin> not in talk.
[7:31] <andrewgodwin> go to maemo.org and login
[7:31] <andrewgodwin> and then click your username in the top right
[7:31] <andrewgodwin> it has bars
[7:33] <Corsac> I wish it has https
[7:33] <Corsac> Karma 14
[7:33] <Corsac> wouhou!
[7:35] <Stskeeps> andrewgodwin: he said people shouldn't do black market stuff sadly :/
[7:36] <Stskeeps> anything that you do personally and doesn't confuse the initial signup/buy howeer..
[7:37] <Corsac> yeah I wouldn't do that hidden, but I would honestly ask if it was possible
[7:37] <Corsac> I'd love to be able to do some dev on the n900 (i'm really interested by the security architecture and arm trustzone etc.)
[7:38] <Corsac> but there's no way I would have had enough karma for the n900
[7:38] <andrewgodwin> Stskeeps: he did? damn.
[7:38] <Corsac> so if there would have been a solution so one could make someone else benefit of its developer program, it'd have been nice :)
[7:38] <Corsac> that's all
[7:39] <Meizirkki> dpb, onemoretime: thanks again for figuring out the wifi, i was already about to buy another dingle :)
[7:40] <Meizirkki> i'm still unable to connet, but getting closer :)
[7:41] <andrewgodwin> qgil sex: "Exceptions, transfers, special arrangements... please arrange them yourselves. You really want us to concentrate in th work we have to do. We have done our part sending the invitations to the contributors in the "norm". Thankyou again for your understanding."
[7:41] <andrewgodwin> *sez. even
[7:41] <Stskeeps> yeah
[7:41] <andrewgodwin> i agree black market's bad though
[7:41] <andrewgodwin> straight swaps, on the other hand, seem fine
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[7:42] <andrewgodwin> If I had more than one port to maemo to my name I'd go on the low-karma list
[7:42] <andrewgodwin> but I'm not sure I really justify anything
[7:42] <Corsac> andrewgodwin: that's good to know, thoug
[7:42] <Corsac> +h
[7:43] <andrewgodwin> Corsac: yeah. Given the fact that Nokia have been generous to me in previous years, I'm not so miffed this time around
[7:44] <andrewgodwin> besides, the TB is way cooler :)
[7:44] <Corsac> :)
[7:44] <Corsac> I don't really think they have the same purpose
[7:45] <Corsac> I definitely think I'll buy the n900, one way or another
[7:45] <Corsac> but I'll use it primarily as a phone, with a nice data access
[7:45] <Corsac> while I'll use the TB more like a computer
[7:46] <andrewgodwin> exactly; the n900 is the thing you pull out in the street to twitter/find a resturant/etc
[7:46] <andrewgodwin> the TB is what I'll be using at conferences
[7:46] <Corsac> aaand, my gf asked me if she could use it on the fridge, with those eyes and her tiny little lips, I couldn't resist
[7:46] <andrewgodwin> and on the train
[7:46] <Corsac> :)
[7:46] <andrewgodwin> hahaha
[7:46] <andrewgodwin> there definitely needs to be a recipie book app
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[7:46] <andrewgodwin> with over-the-top page turning effects
[7:47] <Corsac> definitely
[7:47] <Corsac> is the ebook reader with page effects (as seen in the video) in the default install?
[7:48] <alongst> Anybody found a gps that fits inside the tablet part? I can say the GT-730F is too large (haven't tried to take it apart though)
[7:48] <andrewgodwin> Corsac: no, only fbreader is
[7:48] <Corsac> damn :(
[7:49] <andrewgodwin> alongst: not a stick, but I have a bluetooth gps that would fit inside the casing
[7:49] <andrewgodwin> (with a bit of trimming)
[7:51] <alongst> andrewgodwin: which?
[7:51] <andrewgodwin> it's some random chinese thing I got off eBay. Not sure it has a part number...
[7:51] <alongst> andrewgodwin: still, if you have it, i'd appreciate it.
[7:52] <andrewgodwin> alongst: it looks something like this: http://www.tradenote.net/images/users/000/232/582/products_images/SiRF_Star_III_Bluetooth_GPS_Receiver.jpg
[7:53] <alongst> it fits without the casing I gather?
[7:53] <andrewgodwin> it _would do_. I still use it externally.
[7:53] <alongst> have you actually tried to fit it inside?
[7:53] <andrewgodwin> You could probably get away with removing the battery, even
[7:53] <andrewgodwin> i've put it near, and judged
[7:53] <andrewgodwin> but no, I can offer no guarantees
[7:54] <alongst> thanks anyway
[7:54] <Meizirkki> yes.. i'm just stuck once again with the ralink dongle
[7:56] <Meizirkki> i'm goona take a working wif dongle now out of this computer to get somewhere with the kubuntu image bbl
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[8:22] <shiznebit> WHAT UP
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[8:25] <shiznebit> morning everyone
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[8:49] <shiznebit> where would my usb drivers be located ?
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[8:50] <Corsac> alexandre: I GOT IT!!
[8:50] <Corsac> \o/\o/
[8:50] <Corsac> (and no customs, btw)
[8:50] <alexandre> good to hear!
[8:51] <Corsac> and it seems to work fine
[8:51] * NPX is now known as npx
[8:51] <Corsac> well I've not yet been able to connect it, but it boots fine, touchpad is ok, it switches to tablet mode when separated
[8:52] <Corsac> the only thing I'm a bit puzzled with is the top battery, which I'm not sure is charging
[8:52] <shiznebit> Corsac: what did you get
[8:52] <Corsac> well, it appears to be charging but the percentage doesn't change
[8:52] <andrewgodwin> Corsac: mine too
[8:52] <shiznebit> npx: where would i find the location for the usb drivers
[8:52] <Corsac> (in /sys/class/power_supply/twl_4030_bci
[8:52] <andrewgodwin> that just happens
[8:54] <shiznebit> where would i find the location for the usb drivers
[9:13] <Corsac> Macer: what exactly is your blanking issue?
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[9:25] <Corsac> hmhm, AIOS kind-of lacks a mail reader, too
[9:26] <Corsac> though it might make sense to have something like anjal
[9:26] <Corsac> (except the evo dependencies)
[9:29] <Corsac> when you're on it?
[9:30] <Corsac> yurk
[9:30] <Corsac> not really good indeed
[9:30] <Corsac> and dpms not involved, I guess
[9:30] <Corsac> I'll do a debian image when I have time
[9:30] <Corsac> and a sd card
[9:30] <Corsac> (i'll rip mer for the beginning, but...)
[9:31] <shiznebit> Macer: tellhow it goes please
[9:31] <koen> it's funny how almost all bugs people complain about are due to AI customizations to the base OS :)
[9:32] <Corsac> like?
[9:32] <shiznebit> like sleep mode being broken ?
[9:32] <koen> vkb slowness, rotation randonmess, etc
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[9:33] <shiznebit> its definetly a work in progress
[9:34] <shiznebit> Macer: doesn't mer only have support for v5 not v7
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[9:34] <Corsac> mmh, btw, how am I supposed to put it to sleep?
[9:34] <Stskeeps> v7 can run v5..
[9:34] <Corsac> I guess closing the lid doesn't work
[9:35] <shiznebit> Stskeeps: right but it wont have the full blown capadibility
[9:37] <Meizirkki> according to johnx, the speed difference between v7 and v5 is really small, vfp support is the big deal :)
[9:37] <Stskeeps> shiznebit: it isnt optimized for armv7, no. doesnt make it any less useful
[9:38] <shiznebit> vfp ?
[9:38] <Corsac> Meizirkki: and between v4 and v7? :)
[9:38] <Meizirkki> Macer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Touch_Book_.28Experimental.29
[9:38] <Meizirkki> Corsac, i don't know
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[9:39] * Macer pictures kubuntu on the tb
[9:39] <Meizirkki> yes, i'm uploading atm
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[9:39] <shiznebit> that would be disgustingly slw
[9:40] <shiznebit> orly
[9:41] <Meizirkki> KDE 4.2 on n810 btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOHGb2rr0
[9:41] <jvs> hmm
[9:41] <jvs> gnome must fly on the tb then :p
[9:42] <Meizirkki> KDE 4 on n810 is slow, mostly because it takes slightly over 128 Mb RAM
[9:42] <jvs> well
[9:42] <jvs> xfce must run fine then
[9:42] <jvs> damn :)
[9:43] <Meizirkki> jvs, GNOME is harder than KDE to get working on n810..
[9:43] <jvs> why?
[9:43] <shiznebit> seriously we should just get DSL on it
[9:43] <shiznebit> how so ?
[9:43] <Meizirkki> Macer: +1
[9:43] <jvs> Macer, is it your personal opinion?
[9:43] <shiznebit> why does gnome suck
[9:43] <jvs> or does it perform bad on the xfce
[9:43] <jvs> *xfce on tb
[9:44] <shiznebit> okay how about some facts /
[9:44] <jvs> I'll stop listening to you then
[9:44] <jvs> :p
[9:44] <Meizirkki> shiznebit, no facts please
[9:45] <shiznebit> ill probably just replace kde with gnome
[9:45] <jvs> Macer is really slow on the tb, but Meizirkki runs just fine
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[9:45] <shiznebit> lol
[9:46] <jvs> well, should I ever rcv my tb I'll join the flame war
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[9:46] * shiznebit shrugs
[9:46] <Meizirkki> Macer, you're scarily offending ppl right now..
[9:46] <shiznebit> gnome works well for simplicity
[9:46] <jvs> kde is like disney land on crack
[9:46] <Meizirkki> O_o
[9:47] <shiznebit> disney world is the crack land with a heroin cstle
[9:47] <jvs> I avoided places that start with disney
[9:47] <jvs> I once was lured into a disney store
[9:47] <jvs> the horror
[9:47] <Meizirkki> how can you still waste your time for this useless fighting that will never end?
[9:47] <jvs> (the horror)
[9:48] <jvs> Meizirkki, because its fun
[9:48] <jvs> Meizirkki, afterwards Macer and me will have some beers and everything is fine again
[9:48] <shiznebit> Meizirkki: will you include the hulu app from the touchbook on kubuntu
[9:49] <jvs> yeah and also include the globus toolkit
[9:49] <Meizirkki> shiznebit, i haven't looked at that yet.
[9:49] <shiznebit> Macer: woops
[9:49] <shiznebit> heh nvm
[9:49] <Meizirkki> 256Kb up.. it's gonna take long
[9:50] <jvs> its disney world
[9:50] <jvs> damn large
[9:50] <Meizirkki> too much, i should clean package cache..
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[9:50] <shiznebit> lol he's uping the internet
[9:51] <Meizirkki> and internet doesn't use crack
[9:51] <Meizirkki> omfg this goddamn ***
[9:52] <shiznebit> ??
[9:52] <Meizirkki> *corrupted package*
[9:52] <shiznebit> :O
[9:52] <shiznebit> we could fix that
[9:52] <shiznebit> keep uping
[9:53] <shiznebit> lol probably
[9:53] <Meizirkki> i have been uploading this package over 10 minutes now and i look at the terminal: 100x I/O errors
[9:53] <shiznebit> WOW
[9:53] <Meizirkki> *sigh*
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[9:54] <shiznebit> yeah
[9:54] <Meizirkki> it never finished packing the rootfs up..
[9:54] <shiznebit> hmmm
[9:55] * Meizirkki is gonna pack it up directly on a TB
[9:56] <Meizirkki> lemme check
[9:56] <shiznebit> whats the max speed of the wireless on a TB
[9:56] <shiznebit> i know its limited to the bus
[9:58] <shiznebit> i dont think its that fast
[9:59] <shiznebit> max i would imagine being 1GB/s
[9:59] <shiznebit> srry 1Gb/s
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[10:01] <shiznebit> why
[10:01] <npx> isnt "because it's java" more than enough :D
[10:01] <Corsac> 1Gb/s for wireless?
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[10:01] <shiznebit> Corsac: the bus
[10:02] * Macer looks at the android kernel
[10:02] <shiznebit> its not the kernel
[10:02] <shiznebit> its dalvik
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[10:03] <andrewgodwin> argh, this is getting annoying
[10:04] <andrewgodwin> my tablet's battery ran down WHILE ON A PLUGGED-IN KEYBOARD
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[10:04] <andrewgodwin> something is v. wrong
[10:08] <andrewgodwin> the keyboard was _plugged in_. to the mains.
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[10:09] <Meizirkki> Kubuntu image seems to be happily packing again
[10:09] <Meizirkki> the previous try came back with
[10:10] <Meizirkki> tar: ./var/log/syslog: File shrank by 13791763 bytes; padding with zeros
[10:10] <shiznebit> 130 MB holy
[10:10] <shiznebit> nice
[10:11] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: tarring a live system is bad idea
[10:13] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, yes, but my camera (the card reader) seems to only give me I/O errors
[10:13] <Stskeeps> ah
[10:14] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: thought you were using minisd for it
[10:14] <Corsac> btw, about the power adaptor, as promised AI included it it mine
[10:14] <Corsac> in*
[10:14] <Meizirkki> i got the 8GB SD back working and Kubuntu is there
[10:15] <Corsac> Macer: yeah the us->eu
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[10:16] <Corsac> Macer: I don't have time to go to the post office, so going to a store to find a us adaptor is kind-of not doable :)
[10:16] <Corsac> Macer: the power plug is not the same in eu and us
[10:16] <Corsac> it's just physical, not electrical
[10:17] <Corsac> I said it first
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[10:17] <Meizirkki> Macer, not uploaded
[10:18] <Corsac> ok, I'm off
[10:18] <Corsac> seeya
[10:18] <andrewgodwin> they do over her
[10:18] <Corsac> (damn, how will I carry those magnets ><)
[10:19] <Corsac> wihtout credit cards or bus tickets :p
[10:19] <andrewgodwin> with a separator between then
[10:19] <Corsac> ahah
[10:19] <Corsac> funny
[10:20] <Corsac> moving the magnet in front of my SE phone activates the camera
[10:20] <Corsac> (even if I don't switch the cover)
[10:20] <Corsac> (so I guess it's not a good idea to put the magnet in the phone pocket
[10:21] <Meizirkki> Corsac, see what happend if you put it near and old CRT monitor screen xD
[10:21] <Meizirkki> typos..
[10:21] <Meizirkki> haooens
[10:21] * Macer starts to polish his touchbook
[10:21] <npx> i like the "dont use sharp objects or you will hurt you" warning in the wiki
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[10:23] <Meizirkki> npx, i like the don't put your necktie in a paper-shredder warning :)
[10:24] <Meizirkki> the sticker on those shredders :)
[10:24] <npx> i know :D
[10:25] <Meizirkki> with what partition editor?
[10:25] <koen> Macer: http://www.xora.org.uk/2009/09/07/omap3-card-formatter-license/
[10:27] <Meizirkki> Is there any way of getting rid of this ??? http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Problems#5394624673695562114
[10:27] <Meizirkki> bye bye 3D games if not :(
[10:28] <Meizirkki> It's Xorg with the omapfb driver
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[10:28] <npx> i take it will stay like this when you log in?
[10:28] <Meizirkki> npx, yes
[10:29] <Meizirkki> Macer, try double-click-and-drag
[10:29] <npx> is it the same driver the tb uses?
[10:29] <Meizirkki> npx, that is the tb
[10:29] <npx> i know
[10:29] <npx> i meant in the AIOS
[10:29] <Meizirkki> npx, AIOS uses fbdev, which works fine in ubuntu too
[10:30] <npx> and why youre not using it instead?
[10:30] <Meizirkki> omapfb is accelerated
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[10:33] <shiznebit_> macer whats new
[10:35] <Meizirkki> i really hope omapfb will start working.. fbdev wasn't able to play DVD quality xvid in fullscreen solidly
[10:37] <Meizirkki> Macer, it's gonna take long..
[10:38] <Eruquen> damn
[10:38] <Eruquen> my 8gb sdhc card is missing 4 cylinders
[10:38] <Meizirkki> the best finger scroll on TB has been in Tear in Mer 0.16
[10:39] <dpb> Meizirkki: how did you disable the screen blanking on ubuntu?
[10:39] <Meizirkki> dpb, i selected "presentation" profile in powerdevil plasma applet :D
[10:40] <shiznebit_> Meizirkki: what about sleep mode
[10:41] <Meizirkki> shiznebit_, sleep sucks because it seems to freeze all usb-devices
[10:41] <shiznebit_> cause screen blanking is cool, but it doesn't lock anything
[10:41] <shiznebit_> Meizirkki: that happens on ubuntu aswell ?
[10:42] <Meizirkki> yes, i'm taking abou ubuntu
[10:42] <shiznebit_> :-?
[10:42] <shiznebit_> :-/
[10:42] <dpb> Macer: no, doesn't work properly.
[10:42] <shiznebit_> then its an issue with the drivers
[10:42] <shiznebit_> or its just broken
[10:43] <Meizirkki> shiznebit_, once there's kernel with cpufreq you won't need sleep
[10:43] <shiznebit_> true
[10:43] <Meizirkki> dpb, it works here
[10:43] <Meizirkki> (screen blanking)
[10:43] <dpb> weird
[10:44] <shiznebit_> though it would be nice, if sleep worked
[10:44] <shiznebit_> yeah
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[10:44] <shiznebit_> at 608
[10:44] <dpb> cpufreq isn't a replacement for sleep.
[10:44] <dpb> sure
[10:45] <shiznebit_> i got 6 hrs of bl
[10:45] <Meizirkki> dpb, but once there's a proper kernel, the core is always turned off while not used
[10:45] <dpb> Meizirkki: the core isn't the only thing taking power
[10:45] <Meizirkki> true
[10:45] <Meizirkki> but right now it takes pretty much
[10:45] <dpb> sleep is way more effective if you don't use the device for hours.
[10:45] <Meizirkki> wifi-powersave is another really important thing
[10:45] <Meizirkki> be back in 5
[10:46] <shiznebit_> proper sleep could extend it to an insane amount
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[10:46] <shiznebit_> lol
[10:46] <dpb> yep
[10:47] <shiznebit_> too bad we just cant dump maemo 5 on an sd and have it run
[10:48] <dpb> the screen doesn't blank when i'm in the console, but does in X
[10:49] <shiznebit_> probably cause console isn't run in root
[10:49] <shiznebit_> ?
[10:49] <dpb> huh?
[10:49] <shiznebit_> thats really fing weird
[10:50] <shiznebit_> dpb: wait what
[10:50] <dpb> indeed, what? :)
[10:51] <shiznebit_> dpb: the screen blanks fine for me
[10:51] <dpb> the screen blanks at random for me, even when in use
[10:52] <shiznebit_> strangely i cant even reproduce it when i need to
[10:52] <shiznebit_> sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't
[10:53] <shiznebit_> in fact as of my last reboot, it has never done it
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[10:57] <martinh> we're pretty sure that the screen blank is a software thing since fn-f7 brings it back.
[10:58] <martinh> i've noticed it happens more when I'm actively typing on the keyboard than not. . .i'm wondering if it's a combination where the typing jars something and the software misreads it as a signal to blank, or a drop in voltage or something.
[10:58] <shiznebit_> martinh: okay how about the sleep issue
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[10:59] <martinh> which sleep issue?
[11:00] <shiznebit_> the one where if you put the TB to sleep, upon wakeup the usb get horribly messed up and unuseable
[11:00] <martinh> hmmm. I haven't experienced that one. how are you putting it to sleep?
[11:00] <shiznebit_> ctrl + alt + delete > Sleep
[11:01] <shiznebit_> once you press the powerbutton to wake it up
[11:01] <shiznebit_> usb is gone
[11:01] <shiznebit_> martinh: how do you doi t
[11:02] <martinh> i never sleep it. :->
[11:02] <martinh> no reason to for me.
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[11:02] <shiznebit_> okay but try it out and tell me
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[11:05] <martinh> yea. just did. it failed.
[11:05] <martinh> but. i can poke at it.
[11:05] <dpb> martinh: well the blanking happens with ubuntu too
[11:06] <shiznebit_> well what could it be
[11:06] <Corsac> hmhm, isn't ipkg update supposed to work?
[11:06] <shiznebit_> martinh: yeah you can poke, but KB and wireless are gone
[11:07] <shiznebit_> Corsac: ipkg update yes
[11:07] <Corsac> it returns error 7 for some reason
[11:07] <shiznebit_> ipkg upgrade will break your system
[11:07] <shiznebit_> sudo ?
[11:07] <shiznebit_> sudo -s ?
[11:10] <shiznebit_> how come ?
[11:10] <Corsac> shiznebit_: with which passwd?
[11:10] <shiznebit_> just do sudo -s
[11:10] <Corsac> ok
[11:10] <shiznebit_> sudo isn't setup correctly
[11:11] <Corsac> aha /etc/sudoers looks...
[11:11] <Corsac> creepy
[11:12] <Corsac> fun, it directly uses angstrom and beagleboard repository, but no AI repository
[11:12] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, is there such thing?
[11:12] <Meiz_TB> (ai-repo)
[11:12] <Corsac> I guess not
[11:13] <shiznebit_> yeah things are horribly freaky
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[11:14] <DJWillis> It's using the Angstrom tree but not all the patches are in mainline Angstrom? :-o, ok, that's going to bork! ;-)
[11:14] <DJWillis> Corsac: why ipkg not opkg? That said, I think you will have opkg and a symlink.
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[11:15] <korsak> \o/
[11:15] <korsak> <- on the touchbook
[11:16] <korsak> DJWillis: I don't know about opkg :/
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[11:19] <DJWillis> korsak: opkg is the 'still maintained' (just) fork of ipkg that is used by OE. IPKG has not been maintained for a very long time now (going back to the time of handhelds.org and all that s**t).
[11:20] <korsak> ok
[11:20] <DJWillis> opkg also had the bones of a backend in PackageKit so with some effort you could hook up a semi-decent GUI. Something that really Angstrom (and all ipk based OE distros really) lacks.
[11:21] * korsak opkg install zsh
[11:21] <DJWillis> lol
[11:22] <korsak> * Cannot find package zsh.
[11:22] <korsak> mpf.
[11:22] <DJWillis> zsh 4.1.1 should be in there :-o
[11:23] <DJWillis> Assuming that the packages.gz for the touchbook is all ok (koen, is it just a standard Angstrom machine with the packs.gz on the distro site?)
[11:23] <korsak> nothing in search
[11:24] <korsak> rah, give me back focus follow mouse :)
[11:25] <drantin> you've done an update of the package lists first, right?
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[11:26] <Corsac> drantin: yes
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[11:26] <koen> DJWillis: which should zsh be machine specigic?
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[11:27] <DJWillis> koen: it's not (is it), I can't see any issues but wondering why korsak can't find it for the TB in the repros.
[11:30] <Corsac> same thing for zsh4
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[11:33] <DJWillis> Corsac: I can't check (don't have a device to hand) but I can see the recipe in the OE/Angstrom trees so I can't see why it's not built and uploaded.
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[11:34] <rhl6856> anyone care to comment: http://alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=349&p=1884#p1884
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[11:35] <koen> /* */
[11:35] <rhl6856> hey shiznetbit, http://alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=349&p=1884#p1884
[11:36] <andrewgodwin> rhl6856: I tried a DisplayLink earlier today
[11:36] <rhl6856> oh cool
[11:36] <andrewgodwin> the TB's usb power bus isn't good enough, it turned off the entire usb subsystem when I plugged it in :/
[11:36] <andrewgodwin> i think it's the power anyway
[11:37] <andrewgodwin> will try again tomorrow
[11:37] <rhl6856> what do you mean, you need to be plugged in first?
[11:37] <andrewgodwin> no, i was plugged in
[11:37] <rhl6856> what happened?
[11:38] <drantin> rhl6856: you could try the devices listed at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddVGAAdapter
[11:38] <andrewgodwin> i think you'd need a powered hub
[11:39] <rhl6856> i want to purchase one, but not until I figure out that this is going to work
[11:39] <rhl6856> by one I mean, toucbook
[11:39] <andrewgodwin> yeah, I'm going to try and find a powered hub tomorrow and give it a go
[11:39] <rhl6856> where are you going to find one?
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[11:40] * drantin has a battery-powered usb hub originally purchased for his zaurus, but no dongle to test
[11:42] <rhl6856> lol
[11:43] <rhl6856> what do you guys think about usb projectors
[11:43] <andrewgodwin> it's work, we have a cupboard of junk
[11:43] <rhl6856> on the touchbook
[11:43] <rhl6856> andrew, which displaylink item did you try?
[11:44] <drantin> http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16817804001 is the pwoered hub I have
[11:44] <drantin> powered even
[11:45] <Corsac> Stskeeps: mhmh, basically you do a vfat partition where you extract the touchbook-kernel.tar.gz?
[11:45] <Stskeeps> ask meiz, i don't have one
[11:45] <Stskeeps> :P
[11:45] <Corsac> and then debootstrap something on the ext3 part?
[11:45] <Corsac> yeah, right :)
[11:45] * Corsac slaps Meiz_TB
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[11:47] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, ouch!
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[11:50] <Corsac> Macer: what way did you use for kubuntu?
[11:50] <Corsac> debootstrap?
[11:50] <Corsac> I see
[11:50] <Corsac> nobody knows anything but Meiz_TB !
[11:51] <Meiz_TB> Macer, I haven't gotten the Ralink piece of **** to wook
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[11:52] <Corsac> hmhm, wait, I won't really be able to run anything from the debootstrap!
[11:52] <Meiz_TB> no, i thought i had when i got the interface up but no, i still can't connect
[11:52] <DJWillis> Meiz_TB: It's an rt3070 right?
[11:52] <Meiz_TB> yes i think
[11:53] <Corsac> Meiz_TB: how did you install kubuntu? You did run the kubuntu installer from uboot?
[11:53] <dpb> sudo aptitude install zsh ;)
[11:53] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, i built the rootfs using rootstock
[11:53] <dpb> oops, backlog
[11:54] <DJWillis> Meiz_TB: where are you building your wireless from?
[11:54] <Corsac> Meiz_TB: what's rootstock?
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[11:54] <Meiz_TB> DJWillis, i'm not building, just tying to copy files over from AIOS because i use the same kernel with ubuntu
[11:55] <DJWillis> Ahhh, okies
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[11:56] <Meiz_TB> Macer> iwconfig ra0 essid fosus doesn't connect to the ap and scan doesn't work
[11:56] <Meiz_TB> yes
[11:56] <Meiz_TB> there's a huge bunch of errors shown in dmesg
[11:59] <DJWillis> Macer: you can grab the patches from there archive and overlay on the GIT checkout as defined in the recipe bb.
[11:59] <DJWillis> Macer: that would be trivial.
[12:00] <DJWillis> Macer: firmware? Not really using the RaLink stuff much as it's carp ;-)
[12:02] <DJWillis> Macer: that's what a knife and taking off the case is for ;-)
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[12:02] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[12:03] <UMC> hello world
[12:05] <Corsac> ho, it uses qemu in fact :)
[12:05] <UMC> does anybody know how to access the ebook reader like in the vid?
[12:06] <Corsac> ok, removing the sdcard while AIOS is running is not exactly a good idea ;p
[12:07] <Meiz_TB> tring to figure uot the upload :(
[12:07] <Meiz_TB> ubuntu one in impossible tto use on TB
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[12:08] <Meiz_TB> Macer, can i send it to you via irc..?
[12:09] <Meiz_TB> Macer, can you accpt the transfer?
[12:10] <Meiz_TB> it's uploading, great
[12:10] <Meiz_TB> :D
[12:11] <Meiz_TB> it was such a pain to try to upload to ubuntu one cloud...
[12:11] <Meiz_TB> nearly 300Mb
[12:12] <Meiz_TB> Jus unpack it to the secondpartition formatted as eext3
[12:12] <Meiz_TB> ok
[12:12] <Meiz_TB> fstab tries to use 3rd partition as swap
[12:12] <Meiz_TB> and the u-boot is booting the OS from 2nd
[12:13] <Meiz_TB> i don't think it'll boot from 3rd
[12:13] <Meiz_TB> k
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[12:14] <Meiz_TB> super-fast 16Kb/s upload speed here >_<
[12:14] <Meiz_TB> off to sleep now, bye
[12:15] <Meiz_TB> yup
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[12:15] <Meiz_TB> if you do, please post to forums :)
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[12:26] <shiznebitt> anything new ?
[12:33] <dpb> I'm getting more and more annoyed with this blanking problem.
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[12:46] <viridior> back, afternoon all
[12:46] <DJWillis> Meiz_TB: what is the speed like with QT and all the gloop up and running?
[12:47] <dpb> s/QT/Qt/
[12:47] <DJWillis> dpb: ;-), mea culpa
[12:47] <dpb> Yep.
[12:51] <shiznebitt> he isn't uploading to a better server ?
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[12:57] <viridior> Macer: i sent him my experience with ralink wireless drivers on Innovating Touch forums
[12:58] <viridior> ill be more then happy to try to assist
[12:59] <viridior> nice
[12:59] <dpb> Funny my wifi works fine..
[12:59] <dpb> in ubuntu
[13:00] <dpb> maybe
[13:00] <dpb> manually how?
[13:00] <shiznebitt> iwconfig
[13:00] <dpb> ah, I didn't try that :P
[13:00] <dpb> I used wicd
[13:01] <dpb> maybe
[13:01] <shiznebitt> Macer: the aios is far worse
[13:01] <shiznebitt> i cant get the network manager working
[13:02] <shiznebitt> it opens and its blank, doesn't even bother loading the card
[13:02] <shiznebitt> Macer: so i've noticed
[13:02] <shiznebitt> Macer: do you have a link
[13:02] <andrewgodwin> sigh, this kubuntu rootfs is taking an age to extract
[13:04] <andrewgodwin> Macer: indeed. The SD's the issue, of course :)
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[13:14] <dpb> ubuntu doesn't allow root logins by default
[13:14] <andrewgodwin> but the default user has sudo
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[13:15] <shiznebitt> you have to llo
[13:15] <shiznebitt> login first
[13:16] <dpb> yeah, but he doesn't know the user/pass ;)
[13:16] <dpb> Off to sleep, night. ->
[13:16] <andrewgodwin> then mount the sd card and change /etc/passwd :)
[13:16] <andrewgodwin> night
[13:18] <andrewgodwin> Macer: try some rock salt, it usually increases friction :)
[13:24] <andrewgodwin> woah, kubuntu boots really fast
[13:27] <shiznebitt> orlly
[13:28] <shiznebitt> what about wireless ?
[13:28] <andrewgodwin> the desktop doesn't boot yet :)
[13:28] * andrewgodwin adds some swap
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[13:34] <shiznebitt> ad
[13:35] <shiznebitt> almost :P
[13:36] <shiznebitt> how do it tell if the top battery is fully charged
[13:36] <shiznebitt> -_-
[13:37] <shiznebitt> okay and
[13:37] <shiznebitt> errr
[13:37] <shiznebitt> but where in the system is it reading off that
[13:38] <shiznebitt> /proc/system/powersource
[13:38] <npx> macer hows your mer running? :P
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[13:39] <npx> wont kubuntu be a bit of an overkill for the TB
[13:39] <shiznebitt> i agree kubuntu seems likely to eat everything
[13:39] <npx> if not ubuntu does.. kde will :D
[13:39] <shiznebitt> hehe
[13:40] <shiznebitt> it'll take one tiny bite
[13:40] <shiznebitt> and BANG mem is gone
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[13:40] <shiznebitt> so is this kubuntu kde4 ?
[13:41] <shiznebitt> ;-/
[13:41] <shiznebitt> yeah with ALOT OF RAM
[13:42] <shiznebitt> i can't wait to see a "system out of memory" msg
[13:42] <shiznebitt> then a Oops
[13:42] <shiznebitt> and thne BSoD
[13:42] <shiznebitt> heh
[13:43] <shiznebitt> relly gentoo ?
[13:44] <shiznebitt> jeeze
[13:45] <shiznebitt> first app run = watchdog
[13:47] <shiznebitt> macer what would you say is better on resources, fluxbox or xfce ?
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[13:48] <andrewgodwin> yow, loading kde is slow
[13:49] <shiznebitt> andrewgodwin: im not to surprised
[13:49] <andrewgodwin> shiznebitt: neither am I
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[13:49] <shiznebitt> touchbook uses gnome, not xfce. right ?
[13:50] <shiznebitt> okay....fluxbox it is
[13:50] <andrewgodwin> no it's not, gnome takes an age to load :)
[13:50] <shiznebitt> andrewgodwin: and kubuntu take universal lifetime
[13:51] <andrewgodwin> shiznebitt: i'm not sure KDE is _ever_ going to load
[13:52] <andrewgodwin> argh
[13:52] <andrewgodwin> kubuntu's loaded with a UK keymap
[13:53] <Corsac> hmhm, can someone do an lsmod from a running AIOS?
[13:53] <Corsac> I just lost wireless, reboot doesn't change, but it seems rt3070sta isn't loaded for some reason
[13:53] <Corsac> though loading it doesn't bring the interface back
[13:54] <shiznebitt> ifconfig ra0 up
[13:55] <Corsac> shiznebitt: the interface is not there
[13:55] <shiznebitt> whats nls_iso8859_1
[13:55] <shiznebitt> Corsac: woah
[13:55] <shiznebitt> wth did you do
[13:55] <Corsac> nothing
[13:55] <shiznebitt> not surprised
[13:57] <shiznebitt> Corsac: try poweroff from terminal
[13:58] <Corsac> shiznebitt: reboot doesn't change
[13:58] <Corsac> though I unplugged the key and plugged it outside, just in case
[13:58] <Corsac> and the interface seems back
[13:58] <shiznebitt> plugit into a regular comp
[13:58] <shiznebitt> and do lsusb
[13:59] <Corsac> shiznebitt: did you read?
[13:59] <Corsac> I plugged it on the outside and the interface is back
[13:59] <shiznebitt> no i didn't read that
[14:00] <shiznebitt> so strange
[14:00] <Corsac> hmhm, wifi-radar still doesn't see anything but I guess that's another problem
[14:00] <shiznebitt> iwlist
[14:01] <shiznebitt> ?
[14:02] <Corsac> working
[14:04] <Corsac> no, what doesnt work now is only wifi-radar
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[14:04] <Corsac> Macer: the AI networking interface is a wifi-radar fork
[14:06] <shiznebitt> Corsac: try this
[14:06] <shiznebitt> ifconfig ra0 down
[14:06] <Corsac> shiznebitt: already down, nothing
[14:07] <shiznebitt> rm /var/run/dhcpcd-ra0.*
[14:07] <shiznebitt> ifconfig ra0 up
[14:07] <Corsac> (it's currently rebooting, with wifi plugged in but on the outside)
[14:07] <shiznebitt> iwlist scan
[14:07] <shiznebitt> Corsac: ok, hope it comes back
[14:08] <shiznebitt> does hulu work again
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[14:20] <Corsac> grmnlg, the interface still doesn't see anything
[14:21] <shiznebitt> i have either massive lag
[14:21] <shiznebitt> massive PL or the TB just loses internet
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[14:26] <mrwoo> what does the OS use for a windows decorator?
[14:26] <mrwoo> cause my windows decorator just stopped working out of no where
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[14:28] * Macer hides
[14:28] <mrwoo> that's the last thing on my list at the moment
[14:30] <mrwoo> yea, i'm gonna work on getting ubuntu netbook remix working
[14:31] <mrwoo> mer?
[14:31] * Stskeeps is trying to build tb kernel for mer right now.
[14:32] <mrwoo> what is mer?
[14:32] <Stskeeps> Macer: i'm really really good at blind porting.
[14:32] <mrwoo> bitbaker right?
[14:32] <Stskeeps> Macer: no, it worked, but now we're making it a port
[14:33] <Stskeeps> Macer: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-fremantle.png
[14:33] <mrwoo> got my windows back. I just ran the startxfce4 script in /usr/bin
[14:34] <Stskeeps> right now SW rendering. i need to look closer at SGX first.
[14:35] <Stskeeps> and see how they do things.
[14:35] <Stskeeps> yeah
[14:35] <Stskeeps> app launcher, more specifically
[14:35] <Stskeeps> Macer: been doing this for the last couple of weeks
[14:36] <Stskeeps> apt-get? :P
[14:36] <mrwoo> can some one send me a link to the mer home page?
[14:36] <Stskeeps> mrwoo: wiki.maemo.org/Mer
[14:36] <Stskeeps> Macer: 0.16 -> 0.17 won't work
[14:37] <andrewgodwin> it's a big change
[14:37] <Stskeeps> Macer: slightly better
[14:37] <andrewgodwin> but I'm exicted about it :)
[14:38] <Stskeeps> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-fremantle-desktop.png as well
[14:39] <shiznebitt> Macer: ETA
[14:39] <shiznebitt> ?
[14:40] <shiznebitt> kubuntu
[14:40] <mrwoo> what about just regular old ubuntu
[14:43] <mrwoo> does anyone know how to boot the TB from a flash drive
[14:44] <shiznebitt> lol you mean a usb drive ?
[14:44] <shiznebitt> no clue
[14:44] <mrwoo> yea
[14:47] <shiznebitt> who the fuck is spock
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[15:40] <Eruquen> how would I go about cloning the original sd card to another one?
[15:40] <shiznebit_> dd
[15:41] <Eruquen> dd the whole device?
[15:41] <Eruquen> my new sd card is 4 cylinders shorter than the original :/
[15:41] <Eruquen> so dd ends with an error message
[15:41] <shiznebit_> oh nvm
[15:42] <Eruquen> recreating the file system and copying the partitions one by one did not work either
[15:42] <shiznebit_> umm... create 3 partitions
[15:43] <shiznebit_> ummm h/o
[15:43] <Eruquen> h/o?
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[15:45] <viridior> good news everyone, got xorg-server to compile on Neuvoo... now for a wm. Any suggestions?
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[15:46] <shiznebit_> fluxbox
[15:46] <shiznebit_> viridior: ^^
[15:46] <viridior> ok
[15:46] <viridior> going to do openbox also
[15:46] <shiznebit_> okay
[15:47] <shiznebit_> as low consuming as possible
[15:47] <npx> compiz!
[15:47] <shiznebit_> LOL
[15:47] <viridior> haha
[15:47] <viridior> openbox doesn't require imlib2
[15:48] * viridior compiles glib........................1....................1...
[15:48] <npx> n8 :)
[15:49] <viridior> what other packages?
[15:49] * npx is now known as NPX
[15:49] <viridior> some of the ones on TBOS are good, but its sort of spartan
[15:49] <shiznebit_> Eruquen: sry i cant get my browser to work, srsy i cant help you
[15:49] <shiznebit_> THIS IS SPARTA
[15:50] <shiznebit_> viridior: the hulu one
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[15:51] <viridior> shiznebit: have a link?
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[15:52] <shiznebit_> its a perl script
[15:52] <shiznebit_> its in the os
[15:52] <viridior> i dont get a chance to check the forums that often
[15:55] <shiznebit_> viridior: im sorry ave a link for what
[15:56] <shiznebit_> ?
[15:56] <viridior> for the hulu stuff
[15:56] <viridior> not sure what you are talking about
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[15:57] <shiznebit_> its in /usr/bin/ai/various
[15:58] <viridior> k
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[15:58] <shiznebit_> watch_hulu.pl
[15:59] <viridior> ill probably be packaging up all of the AI tools and utils and installing them on Neuvoo, so theren't shouldn't be a difference in functionality from hardware
[15:59] <viridior> ill be putting in some different software apps however
[15:59] <shiznebit_> cool
[16:00] <shiznebit_> do you think the same hardware problems are gonna occur
[16:00] <viridior> maybe, depends on what we are talking about... things like wireless hopefully wont be an issue since its software faults
[16:01] <viridior> did you have a hardware item in mind?
[16:01] <shiznebit_> okay, what about sleep
[16:01] <shiznebit_> well resuming from sleep
[16:01] <shiznebit_> would that still be iffy
[16:02] <viridior> for now ill be using the AI kernel because im focused on getting the software installed. Once that is good and stable I would like to go back and make custom kernels, sleep is one item i have on my list
[16:02] <viridior> maybe some real-time linux enhancements
[16:02] <shiznebit_> :)
[16:02] <viridior> unionfs/aufs + squashfs
[16:02] <shiznebit_> BFS
[16:03] <viridior> i tend to like to use the latest kernels or one back
[16:03] <shiznebit_> BFS for the scheduler FTW
[16:04] <viridior> haven't looked at BFS in a little while... ill have to check on how its doing
[16:04] <shiznebit_> viridior: whats the main difference between the openpandora and the touchbook, hardware wise
[16:04] <viridior> not much
[16:05] <shiznebit_> does te openpandora OS use X aswell ?
[16:05] <viridior> different bt & wireless, pandora has smaller screen, less battery, but also has the gaming buttons
[16:05] <viridior> only one external usb slot, but an extra sd/mmc
[16:06] <viridior> no internal bays
[16:06] <viridior> slightly bigger then a DSlite
[16:06] <viridior> but, same OMAP3530
[16:06] <shiznebit_> so not much work to make one os work on both
[16:06] <shiznebit_> and the same kernel version with the same drivers
[16:06] <shiznebit_> ?
[16:07] <viridior> yep, im merging the software from both into Neuvoo... one of the main goals of this project
[16:07] <viridior> shiznebit: nope, kernels are fairly different
[16:07] <shiznebit_> orly
[16:07] <shiznebit_> thats a big problem
[16:07] <viridior> yep, pandora devs are using a frozen 2.6.27 kernel and have patched the hell out of it
[16:07] <shiznebit_> whats TB using
[16:08] <viridior> tbos has a 2.6.29
[16:08] <viridior> frozen and patched also
[16:08] <viridior> omap kernel development is pretty chaotic and changes many times between linus pushes. even within a minor branch it could change a few times
[16:09] <viridior> hence the freeze
[16:09] <shiznebit_> so which one do you think has better support for the hardware
[16:09] <viridior> i think for now they are both good for their hardware, but not for cross use
[16:10] <viridior> one of the reasons ill be using the AI & Pandora kernels initially for Neuvoo
[16:10] <viridior> tmlind omap kernels are fairly stable, but they are usually well behind the curve for optimizations
[16:10] <shiznebit_> so your gonna have 2 builds ?
[16:11] <viridior> nah, Neuvoo OS will be the same, just the kernels will be different
[16:11] <viridior> at least initially
[16:11] <viridior> ill have one for Pandora, one for Beagleboard and another for Touch Book from each system's devs. I may have a 4th that I make that is generic and can be used by all
[16:12] <shiznebit_> viridior: that should be interesting
[16:13] <viridior> on mine i will be compiling in a lot of extra modules for people that want to add in all kinds of usb devices. most of the kernels from BB/TB/Pandora don't have additional device support other than what the hardware comes with
[16:13] <shiznebit_> and ill make sure to try the Pandora blend with the TB
[16:14] <viridior> pandora is using a fairly straightforward version of Angstrom with a few config changes for a "gaming" device
[16:14] <viridior> you can easily copy it, put the TBOS on it and boot it from the TB
[16:14] <viridior> and vice-versa
[16:14] <viridior> Pandora doesn't have an accelerometer... so no automatic screen rotations
[16:16] <shiznebit_> viridior: really so the DisplayLink wouldn't even register
[16:16] <viridior> DisplayLink?
[16:17] <shiznebit_> usb -> vga port
[16:17] <viridior> i haven't disected TBOS that much yet
[16:17] <viridior> pandora has a usb slot, usb->vga should be fine if you have the module compiled
[16:21] <shiznebit_> so when do you think Neuvoo can be ready for testing
[16:21] <viridior> i have a command-prompt image out now: http://neuvoo.org/wiki/index.php?title=Pre-built_Images/0.1.0/minimal
[16:22] <viridior> building the desktop version atm, hopefully ill have a working image this week
[16:22] <shiznebit_> shweet
[16:22] <viridior> it will be fairly uncluttered, but ill add packages along the way
[16:22] <viridior> good thing is that everything from the ground up has been compiled for armv7a cortex-a8
[16:23] <viridior> Macer: nice
[16:23] <viridior> i think im going to go with e17 first, i would like to see about getting Mer also
[16:23] <shiznebit_> lol
[16:23] <viridior> shiznebit: openbox is installed
[16:24] * viridior compiled fluxbox
[16:24] * viridior err...compiles
[16:24] <shiznebit_> how different is openbox and fluxbox
[16:24] <viridior> they are pretty close, openbox isn't as pretty but also has less overhead and resource requirements
[16:25] <viridior> i have to install 9 more packages to get fluxbox to work, mostly jpeg and imlib2, etc
[16:26] <shiznebit_> can either handle abiword ?
[16:26] <shiznebit_> or is that for a different wm
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[16:36] <shiznebit_> Macer: idc
[16:36] <shiznebit_> its small and it does pps
[16:37] <shiznebit_> oh ok
[16:37] <shiznebit_> Macer: yeah this thing isnt charging
[16:38] <shiznebit_> well its been amber for like 4 hours
[16:38] <shiznebit_> wtf
[16:44] <martinh> yea. it's a big battery. you have it on. right?
[16:45] <shiznebit_> yeah im on ut
[16:46] <shiznebit_> does it charge top down or bottom up ?
[16:48] <martinh> should be top down.
[16:48] <martinh> it'll take a while. mine charged overnight and the entire next morning.
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[16:56] <viridior> shiznebit: fluxbox installed
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[17:02] * viridior starts compiling e17
[17:02] <viridior> nope, cross-compiling atm
[17:03] <viridior> ive been tweaking my env for the last year and testing on a BB until i got the TB
[17:03] <viridior> every once in a while i have to natively compile, but thats only a few packages
[17:03] <viridior> Gentoo
[17:03] <viridior> Neuvoo is Gentoo based
[17:04] <viridior> works well, im using armv7a cortex-a8 cflags for everything
[17:04] <viridior> didn't have one, but i have a few people i work with from that crowd
[17:05] <viridior> ive booted Neuvoo on the BB and TB, works fine, haven't had any issues
[17:05] <viridior> im interested in playing with Mer for Neuvoo, going to get e17 on first though
[17:05] <viridior> yep
[17:06] <viridior> e17 is what comes with Angstrom, works pretty well... not very optimized though
[17:06] <viridior> eterm was nice, haven't used it in years though
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[18:04] <alongst> A
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[18:32] <mjr> incidentally, can one regulate the charging current in software?
[18:33] <mjr> ie. could I cap it for a lesser-capacity (mobile) charger?
[18:33] <mjr> (going to sleep now but will review for possible answers, thanks ;)
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[19:11] <shiznebit> Macer, do you have a link
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[19:54] <shiznebit> hello everyone
[19:55] <shiznebit> can i use the miniusb port to charge the top half ?
[19:56] <alongst> shiznebit: do you mean you can charge the bottom half with it, and you just want to know if it also charges the tablet (top)?
[19:56] <shiznebit> like is the miniusb port located on the top half useable to charge the battery
[19:57] <shiznebit> or is just for auxiliary devices
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[20:54] <whoever> hi everyone, poll? is any of this true: 1) Touch screen is very unresponsive and difficult to use
[20:54] <whoever> 2) TI processor is way underpowered???. takes forever to do
[20:54] <whoever> anything
[20:54] <whoever> 3) Really weak speakers/headphones
[20:54] <whoever> 4) Feels very cheap and flimsy ??? my friend put it best ???
[20:54] <whoever> looks and feels like a Fischer Price Toy.
[20:56] <whoever> i would like to know what actual owners think before posibaly suffering the same fait
[20:58] <whoever> anyone ??
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[22:13] <Meiz_TB> whoever, Touchscreen is very unresponsive and difficult to use because it uses wrong driver, this is because of the software being beta
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[22:32] <Meiz_TB> 2.Technically the processor is a bit slower than 1.6GHz Atoms i think. But TI OMAP has also some advantages, like better power management and NEON/DSP coprocessors, technically able to do HD video. I would say the processor can do anything i have ever expected a netbook to do, i have tested KDE on both Asus Eee 901 and Touch Book. KDE takes so much RAM, that you can't run over 3-5 apps (depending on the apps ofcurse) at the s
[22:32] <Meiz_TB> ame time. But when the swap is not used, Touch Book feels just as fast as the Asus
[22:33] <Meiz_TB> 3. My earphones work well, but i have heard that some people are having troubles
[22:35] <Meiz_TB> 4. The hinge and the back cover do feel flimsy. We'll see how much AI improves this in next batches.
[22:35] <Meiz_TB> My overall experience is positive, and i really like this thing so far :)
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[22:43] <dpb> Meiz_TB: Atoms can run HD video too
[22:43] <dpb> atleast when bundled with a proper graphics card..
[22:45] <Meiz_TB> dpb, MB magazine did a test of 5 different netbooks all running Atom none of them pplayed 720p
[22:46] <Meiz_TB> Touch Book doesn't do that either atm :)
[22:46] <dpb> Meiz_TB: I bet they all had crappy graphics cards though
[22:47] <dpb> I have a media box with an Atom, runs 1080p just fine, taking only 0-4% of the cpu... :P
[22:48] <Meiz_TB> haha
[22:48] <dpb> Nvidia Ion <3
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[22:48] <Meiz_TB> i wonder if SGX can be used someway in this thing
[22:50] <dpb> I'd like to see a proper ARM-based desktop machine. With omap4 and multiple cores...
[22:52] <dan5k1> I'd be happy with just more non-x86 desktops. SGI died, Apple went to intel, Sun workstations are now AMD, I don't know if ibm still makes riscos workstations any more.
[22:56] <dan5k1> Be died, SPARC is now server only, HPUX is fadeing, The main reason I bought a TB was becuase it was the only non-x86 based laptop on the market.
[22:57] <dpb> Lots of ARM-based netbooks are coming quite soon
[22:57] <dan5k1> yeah. I'm quite happyabout that.
[22:58] <dan5k1> Anyone elses 'I' key nearly imposible to use?
[23:01] <dpb> I hardware-hacked my device yesterday, the left top corner of the keyboard kept making quite much noise when pressing keys. I opened the bottom part, stuck a little piece of plastic in a hole to keep the keyboard still.
[23:01] <dan5k1> I'm not too happy with the keyboad.
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[23:03] <dan5k1> I have the TB sitting here beside my aao, and the keyboards are very close to the same size. The I start getting evil toughts about dremel tools and putting a black aao keyboard in the bottom half. The touble would be figuring out the wiiring to get the usb connection working
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[23:11] <Stskeeps> i don't have any install instructions
[23:12] <Corsac> btw, about the wireless binary files, are we really allowed to redistribute them?
[23:12] <Corsac> I guess you should remove the touchbook-kernel part too
[23:12] <Corsac> I suppose
[23:12] <Corsac> (but I didn't yet came to that part)
[23:13] <Corsac> I had packages to upload yesterday so I didn't had time to create a debian rootfs
[23:13] <Corsac> btw, how are we supposed to chainload from the uboot/kernel image?
[23:14] <Corsac> does it only call a init on the root partition sdb4?
[23:14] <Corsac> I think tar will be able to do that for you
[23:14] <dpb> Macer: yeah, manually copy
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[23:18] <Meiz_TB> Macer, argh, i did the package wrong, you don't need it with the KDE roots anyway
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[23:18] <Meiz_TB> The touchbok-kernel in Mer wiki.
[23:19] <Meiz_TB> Macer, it's the original AI kenrel
[23:19] <Meiz_TB> use the original
[23:19] * Stskeeps boots his machine and sends the TB kernel package to OBS.
[23:19] <Meiz_TB> Macer, yes
[23:20] <Meiz_TB> no, i never changed the passw
[23:20] <Meiz_TB> rootstock makes one use
[23:20] <Meiz_TB> r
[23:20] <Meiz_TB> it's ubuntu and the passwd in ubuntu
[23:20] <Corsac> Meiz_TB: how is the init in the rootfs called?
[23:21] <Corsac> Meiz_TB: magically?
[23:21] <Meiz_TB> Macer, yup
[23:21] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, dunno
[23:21] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, booting is described in wiki
[23:22] <Corsac> root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 I guess it'll do it
[23:22] <Meiz_TB> yes
[23:23] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, kernel bootoptions according to Xorg.0.log: quiet console=tty1 fastboot omapfb.vrfb=1 omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x600MR-16@60 omapdss.def_disp=dvi omapfb.vram=0:8M,1:4M root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=1 rootfstype=ext3
[23:23] <dpb> Corsac: the kernel does it
[23:23] <Corsac> the no ai screen is quite normal :)
[23:24] <Meiz_TB> TB doesn't detect your card
[23:24] <dpb> as there's no init specified in the boot parameters, I think the kernel automatically calls /sbin/init if it exists
[23:24] <Corsac> did you do the correct size/cylinders/heads stuff?
[23:24] <Meiz_TB> make sure you have 63/255 and first FAT parition boot flag
[23:24] <Corsac> yeha, the boot flag is important
[23:25] <Meiz_TB> okay, then open the cover and see is the SD inserted correctly :P
[23:25] <Meiz_TB> do you have mlo, u-boot.bin and uImage
[23:26] <Meiz_TB> in the first FAT
[23:27] <Meiz_TB> i can send you :P
[23:27] <Meiz_TB> 16Kb/s
[23:27] <Corsac> hmhm, so basically one needs a copy of the vfat partition
[23:27] <Meiz_TB> Macer, nop
[23:27] <Corsac> doesn't seem so
[23:28] <Meiz_TB> dcc?
[23:29] <Meiz_TB> trying to send em atm
[23:30] <Meiz_TB> good luck
[23:31] <Meiz_TB> :P
[23:31] * Macer crosses fingers heh
[23:31] <Corsac> hmhm, on the vfat partition there should only be mlo, u-boot and uImage?
[23:31] <Corsac> no kernel?
[23:31] <Corsac> (like on the aios part)
[23:32] <Meiz_TB> uImage is the kernel image
[23:32] <Stskeeps> uImage is the kerne
[23:32] <Corsac> oh right
[23:32] <Corsac> so no modules
[23:32] <Meiz_TB> wsod again
[23:32] <Meiz_TB> ?
[23:32] <Meiz_TB> ah, the space-window
[23:34] <Corsac> I don't get it
[23:34] <Meiz_TB> i bet it's non 63/255 or no boot flag
[23:35] <dpb> Corsac: the modules are in the root filesystem
[23:35] <Corsac> ok, boot/ and lib/ should go to the ext3 partition and vfat should just be a copy of the aios one
[23:35] <Corsac> erf, boot only contains uImage
[23:35] <Meiz_TB> Macer, how did you partition it btw, the partition type must be set to something win95
[23:35] <dpb> boot/ isn't needed
[23:35] <Corsac> so yeah, basically only lib
[23:36] <Meiz_TB> &me goes fix his package
[23:36] <dpb> and etc/Wireless if you want wireless
[23:36] <Meiz_TB> dpb, the wirelee actually works for you?
[23:36] <dpb> Yes
[23:36] <Meiz_TB> wtf is it not working here?
[23:37] <Meiz_TB> dpb, what did you exactly do
[23:37] <Meiz_TB> Macer, ok
[23:37] <Corsac> wow
[23:37] <Corsac> nice
[23:37] <Corsac> I want the same
[23:37] <Meiz_TB> O_o
[23:37] <dpb> Meiz_TB: copied /etc/Wireless, /lib/modules and /lib/firmware to ubuntu, /etc/init.d/wicd start, wicd-curses
[23:37] <Meiz_TB> create awhole new partition table :P
[23:40] <dpb> (you actually did unmount them before using fdisk?)
[23:42] <Corsac> hmhm, how do you mount an sdcard under aios?
[23:42] <Corsac> ha, external sd card reader
[23:42] <Corsac> (pfff)
[23:42] <Corsac> that qemu-system-arm takes ages
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[23:45] <Meiz__TB> thanks dpb, the wlan works now!
[23:45] <Meiz__TB> wanna know what i did wrong?
[23:45] <Meiz__TB> i insmodded the rt3070sta.ko
[23:45] <Corsac> (maybe add it to a wikipage?)
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[23:48] <dpb> Meiz__TB :)
[23:49] <Meizirkki> aaand, the ralink seems to fail again
[23:49] <Meizirkki> it suddenly disconnecxted, and now is unable to get ip
[23:50] <Corsac> Meizirkki: what's the problem with insmodding rt3070?
[23:51] <Corsac> Meiz__TB: btw my connection problem yesterday was related to me uprading libc6 as a side effect of installing irssi
[23:51] <Corsac> I think it completely broke the connection between network_dialog and network_daemon
[23:51] <Meizirkki> Corsac, i don't know whatt's the problem, i was just completely unable to connect or scan after insmodding
[23:52] <Meizirkki> now, when i "just use wicd" it works (at least for the first 5min) :)
[23:54] <Corsac> Meizirkki: from AIOS or from Kubuntu?
[23:54] <Corsac> (yesterday I was able to iwlist ra0 scan)
[23:54] <Corsac> though I didn't manage to connect from command line
[23:55] <Meizirkki> Corsac, kubuntu
[23:55] <Corsac> hmhm ok
[23:55] <Meizirkki> can't get IP >_<
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[23:55] <Corsac> I don't really know
[23:56] <Corsac> it might make sense to check for standard linux support of rt3070sta
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[23:59] <Meizirkki> wtf and now it's connected O_o
[23:59] <Meizirkki> ralink actually knows when it want's to work and when not :D
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