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[0:17] <ryuo> Corsac, ah
[0:17] <ryuo> cool. i got an order confirmation
[0:22] <Corsac> \o/
[0:22] <Corsac> congrats
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[0:26] <ryuo> Corsac, they gave me rush processing i guess.
[0:27] <ryuo> will be fun to actually be able to do something
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[0:38] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: btw I don't have the screen refresh problem whe scrolling in midori
[0:38] <Corsac> (though it tries to select the text which is a bit weird)
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[1:11] <ryuo> gregoiregentil, thanks :)
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[1:33] <swez> hi
[1:34] <swez> If you are order TB. Get tracking number? AI take from money in my banking account.
[1:36] <swez> Deduct money from banking account.
[1:37] <ryuo> swez, could you rephrase that? its a little difficult to understand.
[1:44] <swez> sorry my english is 3 years don't use... AI deduct money from bank account and send email.."Always Innovating: Your order # has been processed" "Your order has been processed successfully, and will be shipped to the following address" ...So waiting tracking number...my question is "Are you get tracking number if shipped order?"
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[1:45] <ryuo> swez, i got a tracking number today.
[1:45] <ryuo> my order was also processed
[1:48] <swez> i am order 7/10/2009 and order processed 23/10(deduck money), tracking number nothing ... So i am question is mistake or waiting for my tracking number...thank you help :)
[1:48] <swez> s/deduck/deduct/
[1:49] <ryuo> you should get it soon i'd imagine
[1:49] <ryuo> if not, contact AI.
[1:53] <swez> ok thank you
[2:01] <diroots> swez ordered 7/10 and got processed? i ordered end of july and still not processed :'(
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[2:02] <diroots> ok, im not in us, but... *gasp*
[2:02] <diroots> did s-one tried another SD in the TB like Sandisk SDHC 8 Go Ultra II 60x?
[2:03] <swez> heh i too not us :)
[2:03] <diroots> swez: lucky you!
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[2:07] <swez> Im in czech republic..but send email to AI and question my order. wuaaa and same day my order in processed :). but i have not tracking number :(
[2:08] <diroots> swez: france for me
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[5:32] <DJWillis> koen: have you tried the SGX OMAP3 drivers 'without' X recently on any of the main OMAP3 platforms? Esp. launching a non X demo from X.
[5:32] <koen> after a month ago or so
[5:32] <koen> AFAICT the only "X" support is to draw a window border around it
[5:34] <DJWillis> koen: ahh, just noticed that non X demos seem to fail, X ones work, the non X ones grumble about 'eglCreateWindowSurface' returned egl error 'EGL_NOT_INITIALIZED' (0x3001). Odd, maybe something in my build setup as it was doing it on the Pandora and Beagle.
[5:34] <DJWillis> running a demo under X also still seems to chuck 40% of the framerate away ;-)
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[5:44] <koen> DJWillis: .10 is about to become available, I'll have a look at the OE sgx stuff after that
[5:44] <DJWillis> koen: :)
[5:47] <koen> sadly I have been slacking and haven't been able to get all my input in, so .11 will be better :)
[5:47] <koen> but the sdk team has been pretty awesome by pro-actively fixing things :)
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[5:59] <kynde> info
[5:59] * kynde says sorry, wrong window. :)
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[6:43] <DJWillis> koen: having you on the inside is a bonus.
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[6:46] <andrewgodwin> i had no idea the kernel had such control over the power supply
[6:47] <andrewgodwin> echo 1023 > /sys/class/power_supply/twl.../charge_current, and suddenly the TB draws power
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[6:56] <Corsac> and you see the current percentage growing?
[6:56] <andrewgodwin> no, capacity is still borked
[6:56] <andrewgodwin> but the power meter now shows way more current flowing
[6:56] <Corsac> ok
[6:57] <andrewgodwin> it's, uh, weird
[6:57] <andrewgodwin> but reassures me my issue is probably in software
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[8:31] <ryuo> andrewgodwin, not very surprising. you can probably do the same on x86 over ACPI
[8:38] <andrewgodwin> ryuo: perhaps, but it still seemed a bit odd for the device
[8:39] <andrewgodwin> anyway, it didn't _actually_ make the top battery charge enough, just bit more
[8:39] <ryuo> andrewgodwin, i'll see what it does when my TB finally comes :-P
[8:39] <ryuo> I got my tracking number today
[8:40] <andrewgodwin> yay!
[8:40] <andrewgodwin> whereabouts are you?
[8:40] <ryuo> US
[8:42] <andrewgodwin> lucky you, it'll get delivered way faster
[8:43] <andrewgodwin> mine took a week or so to find its way over the atlantic
[8:43] <ryuo> thats nothing. the wait time for your order to get its turn was probably longer
[8:44] <andrewgodwin> oh, probably, but I did pre-order randomly and not expect much for a while
[8:45] <ryuo> i'm guessing ARM will eventually move to 64 bit capability when demand finally is great enough for it =p
[8:46] <ryuo> the integers used to count time won't work forever on 32 bit
[8:46] <mjr> yeah well, not really much need for that in arm focus areas now, but sure, eventually
[8:47] <andrewgodwin> nah, we'll just redefine the epoch
[8:47] <ryuo> still you
[8:47] <ryuo> you'd think for something that should never be < 0, you'd use unsigned.
[8:47] <andrewgodwin> I've seen them < 0
[8:47] <ryuo> oh?
[8:48] <ryuo> that doesnt make much sense..
[8:48] <andrewgodwin> when people use them to represent datetimes, and said datetimes are before 1970
[8:48] <ryuo> time can't be a negative value logically
[8:48] <ryuo> unless the past?
[8:48] <ryuo> lol
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[8:49] <ryuo> fun. i'm working on a custom config file parsing engine.
[8:49] <ryuo> using POSIX functions =p
[8:51] <martinh> hmmm. my window manager isn't starting anymore. . .weird.
[8:51] <ryuo> martinh, what WM?
[8:55] <martinh> whatever one xfce starts. :->
[8:55] <martinh> I'm not even sure.
[8:55] <ryuo> xfwm
[8:56] <ryuo> the binary is either called xfwm or xfwm4
[8:56] <ryuo> i dont use DEs much anymore so i dont recall exactly
[8:56] <martinh> interesting. it starts up manually.
[8:56] <ryuo> glitched auto-start?
[8:57] <martinh> could be.
[8:57] <ryuo> i just use my own custom X sessions now.
[8:57] <ryuo> writing code to use in my future projects right now.
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[9:01] <martinh> i've got code I want to write. . .but I'm looking for wxpython right now.
[9:01] <ryuo> I see. I work with C usually.
[9:02] <ryuo> I'm trying to write my base code, stuff I can reuse in future projects.
[9:02] <martinh> yea. i do that too. but, really, i've got something I want to run that uses it. :->
[9:03] <martinh> i figure, if i'm going to have it anyway, might as well use it for a few of these projets.
[9:03] <martinh> projects.
[9:03] <ryuo> ah, my new way to allocate memory in C:
[9:03] <ryuo> #define xalloc(T,N) (T*)xmalloc(sizeof(T)*(N))
[9:03] <ryuo> it helps me to ensure I always allocate enough memory.
[9:05] <martinh> heh. and that's one of the reasons I usually prefer non C now. :->
[9:05] <ryuo> if i use the the wrong type, the compiler will complain about the incompatible assignment.
[9:06] <ryuo> martinh, agreed. I use shell scripts as "glue code" when I don't need a fast solution.
[9:07] <Meizirkki> Anyone knows if DirectFB could work on a TB ?
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[9:07] <ryuo> I'm guessing it can, but I don't know for sure.
[9:07] <ryuo> but why when X11 is working?
[9:08] <Meizirkki> it's way faster maybe ?
[9:08] <ryuo> -shrug-
[9:09] <Corsac> on ubuntu, maybe
[9:10] <ryuo> martinh, http://git.frugalware.org/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=cfpm.git;a=summary <-- the git repo I currently work in.
[9:11] <Meizirkki> I think Nokia's fbdev driver for Xorg has some SGX related modifications, is someone interested in trying to get it to work on TB? ;)
[9:11] <ryuo> I can't do anything yet. my TB is yet to arrive
[9:11] <Meizirkki> (I am but my knownledge about it is very limited)
[9:12] <ryuo> i know very little about directfb but my main distro does have it.
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[9:46] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: do you mean MBX or SGX, I seemed to recall that Nokia did a little 2D stuff with MBX but that is not relevent to the SGX core as that is 3D only.
[9:47] <ryuo> POSIX file descriptors remind me of Xlib and Windows IDs...
[9:47] <ryuo> Window IDs*
[9:47] <ryuo> XCreateWindow passes you an integer ID to signify which one you were given
[9:48] <ryuo> file descriptors are stored in a regular C int
[9:48] <Meizirkki> DJWillis, i mean the Nokia's fbdev driver for N900 (which has SGX core)
[9:48] <Meizirkki> N900 not the driver haha :P
[9:50] <Meizirkki> it's build-depending on opengles-sgx-img-common-dev which contains the gles headers i think
[9:50] <Meizirkki> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/x/xserver-xorg-video-fbdev/xserver-xorg-video-fbdev_0.4.0-173+0m5.dsc
[9:51] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: ok, now that is interesting, we use and xOrg video driver for the OMAPFB at the moment with some nice Neon tweaks.
[9:51] <Meizirkki> DJWillis, The NEON accelerated OMAPFB driver doesn't work properly on TB :(
[9:52] <Meizirkki> http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Problems#5394624673695562114
[9:52] <Meizirkki> that's on Ubuntu, though
[9:53] <Meizirkki> DJWillis, do you mean omapfb works with Angstrom (or/= the original os) ?
[9:54] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: sure you did not bungle something with DSS2 timings?
[9:54] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: well I can't speak for the TB but it works well on every other OMAP3 device I have.
[9:54] <Meizirkki> DJWillis, i just did: "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-omap3" and put it in the xorg.conf
[9:55] <Meizirkki> that's how the BB instructions say at elinux.org
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[9:57] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: sorry, I tend to be an OE user, that smacks of the LCD setup to be honest and that is the one area the TB and Beagle differ.
[9:58] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: there is SGX stuff in that Nokia driver, very interesting, but it also talks about PVR2D and that is a dead end on the SGX (unless I am missing something). Tempted to build it and take it for a test sometime.
[9:59] <Meizirkki> DJWillis, first time i tried to use the Nokia's fbdev, Xorg showed an error message of missing prv2d.so or something
[9:59] <Meizirkki> Second time i has SGX stuff installed and it froze the TB
[9:59] <Meizirkki> I'm gonna try to rebuild theNokia's driver
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[10:58] <Meizirkki> My AC/DC adaptor isn't working.. could it be the R16 missing ? http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Problems#5398083200025649922
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[11:19] <evilnick_B> I'm wondering if the touchbook is still out of stock?
[11:27] <tommd> evilnick_B: Yes, you are. Does that answer your question?
[11:29] <Meizirkki> O_o
[11:30] <evilnick_B> tommd: It does, in a marvellously pedantrical way, thanks.
[11:31] * evilnick_B rephrases his question so that it is a question
[11:31] <tommd> evilnick_B: So you don't hunt me down, I'll also tell you that there are people who ordered in July waiting for their TB in the October batch.
[11:31] * evilnick_B decides not to rephrase his question
[11:31] <tommd> I think once the October batch ships you'll see a lot lower waiting period.
[11:32] <evilnick_B> Should I even consider asking why the October shipment hasn't shipped?
[11:32] <ryuo> evilnick_B, it has.
[11:32] <ryuo> or so i thought?
[11:32] <tommd> Oh, thats news to me then.
[11:32] <Meizirkki> ryuo, +1
[11:32] <ryuo> I got my order confirmation today
[11:32] <tommd> Not saying it hasn't. Just not in tune with whats going on.
[11:33] <tommd> Does anyone know the quantities that have gone out?
[11:33] <Meizirkki> 20-30 :D
[11:33] <ryuo> No idea.
[11:33] <Meizirkki> no i really don't know
[11:33] <ryuo> greg would know
[11:33] <tommd> well, sure.
[11:34] <ryuo> i'm not entirely sure how they pick the queue order.
[11:34] <Meizirkki> qualify 10, you'll get it
[11:34] <evilnick_B> It's got to be some sort of random number generator
[11:34] <ryuo> no i think greg prioritizes them to some extent.
[11:35] <ryuo> certain orders get higher priority
[11:35] <ryuo> it seems reviewers, contributors, bulk orders get a higher priority, but i'm not sure.
[11:36] <Meizirkki> i wasn't actually a preorderer, i ordered it 24 Aug. I qualified "my preorder" to 10 and got one :P
[11:36] <evilnick_B> That'd certainly make sense from a business perspective. So, is there any kind of ETA, if I ordered this week?
[11:36] <Meizirkki> but i did add a note that i don't care about AIOS, but will try ubuntu others
[11:36] <ryuo> Meizirkki, i placed my order last friday and explained my situation and i got bumped up to get one from the current batch
[11:37] <Meizirkki> ok
[11:38] <ryuo> i'm intending to write a review on the factory defaults that I get and then start using it to work on my distros ARM branch.
[11:38] <Meizirkki> your distro?
[11:38] <ryuo> yea..
[11:38] <ryuo> check my cloak for a hint ;)
[11:38] <Meizirkki> what's it called ?
[11:39] <ryuo> i have a freenode cloak
[11:39] <Meizirkki> frugalware ?
[11:39] <ryuo> yea
[11:39] * Meizirkki googles
[11:39] <ryuo> we already got i686, x86_64 and ppc branches
[11:39] <Meizirkki> cool
[11:39] <ryuo> ppc isn't fully supported though because we don't have a build slave :P
[11:40] <ryuo> or a dedicated one yet
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[15:33] <mturquette> any talk of pushing touchbook support upstream to the linux-omap kernel?
[15:41] <koen> mturquette: ask gregoiregentil :)
[15:41] <koen> but since it's opensource and all, anyone can push it upstream
[15:44] <tommd> Not really - your supposed to sign-off on the code, it wouldn't be very honest to take a lump of someone elses code and sign-off.
[15:46] <koen> how so?
[15:46] <koen> it's copy of the beagleboard file
[15:46] <koen> by your logic only khasim is allowed to sign of on that
[15:47] <Managu> significant changes might merit copyright on their own, which would have to be specifically licensed. Of course, IANAL
[15:48] <koen> I've pushed up support in similar situations before, you state the (c) in the source and sign of on the patch
[15:49] <koen> the sign of is there to note it came through you, not that you wrote it
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[15:51] <Managu> Ehh, I guess my thought was more a matter of (legal) minutae than a matter of attribution. Of course you'd expect to give the appropriate attribution ;-)
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[15:56] <gregoiregentil> mturquette: yes, it's under progress
[15:56] <gregoiregentil> I'm talking with Tony. Next week, it should be done
[15:56] <honk> <Managu> significant changes might merit copyright on their own, which would have to be specifically licensed. <-- changes to gpl code that are distributed have to be under gpl - which kinda takes care of that, doesnt it? ;P
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[15:58] <Managu> honk: ehh, not really, imho. The fact that someone can only legally distribute their changes under the GPL doesn't mean they've agreed to do so. Could always say 'oops, this is proprietary, we didn't mean to give it out', and withdraw the publication
[15:58] <Managu> (and, of course, any corresponding binaries/products)
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[16:20] <Corsac> licensing and copyright is related but not the same thing
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[17:12] <shiznebit_> anyone aroundd
[17:14] <ryuo> yea.
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[17:14] <shiznebit_> why does dmesg output everything in hex
[17:15] <shiznebit_> its unreadable
[17:15] <Managu> ehh, dmesg doesn't output stuff in hex for me... maybe you've got a driver that's spewing to the kernel ring buffer?
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[17:23] <ryuo> if it has hexadecimal, its proper memory addresses
[17:23] <ryuo> probably*
[17:23] <shiznebit_> [ 2324.527465] r8:8002d694 r7:805e3f10 r6:8002fea4 r5:80620bc4 r4:8065a7d4
[17:23] <shiznebit_> [ 2324.527465] [<80487178>] (rest_init+0x0/0x80) from [<80008960>] (start_kernel+0x254/0x2b0)
[17:23] <shiznebit_> [ 2324.527526] [<8000870c>] (start_kernel+0x0/0x2b0) from [<80008034>] (__enable_mmu+0x0/0x2c)
[17:23] <shiznebit_> no clue
[17:25] <Managu> Got the whole thing? Maybe put it up in a pastebin?
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[18:31] <ryuo> usps still hasnt changed the status on my tracking number lol
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[22:15] <tommd> Running task 825 of 8845 ... this will take a longer time than building angstrom
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[22:19] <shiznebit> what yah doing tommd
[22:20] <tommd> building ai-image based on the recent instructions and AI git repository. Glad they finally opened the git repo - now I feel more welcome to poke at it.
[22:20] <tommd> ... and maybe even send in patches.
[22:21] <shiznebit> :D
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[22:48] <tommd> I don't quite understand how the ai-image.bb file specifies all the packages that need built.
[22:48] <tommd> I'm going through the oe wiki now and looking at the .bb and .bbclass files. If someone here could give me a quick run-down it would really help.
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[23:49] <Corsac> hey there
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