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[11:36] <gregoiregentil> Hello, long time no see. I'm back
[11:36] <Meizirkki> Hi gregoiregentil
[11:37] <gregoiregentil> Hello
[11:37] <Meizirkki> How's it going ?
[11:38] <gregoiregentil> Good. Thanks. I was in China. So it was hard to be present on chat
[11:38] <gregoiregentil> I'm back to California and we are working on the next release 2010-02.a
[11:38] <Meizirkki> great
[11:40] <_koen_> gregoiregentil: the replacement mainboard is working great, thanks!
[11:40] <gregoiregentil> Cool!
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[11:44] <leinir> gregoiregentil: So, have you seen the MeeGo news? :)
[11:45] <gregoiregentil> Reading it...
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[11:48] <Aard> hm, looks like I've got dust between touchscreen and screen. any known way to get it out?
[11:48] <gregoiregentil> Interesting news for MeeGo. To my mind, everything that does consolidation in Linux market is not too bad as there is so much fragmentation
[11:50] <_koen_> gregoiregentil: it still involves nokia, so I wonder if it's still based on a 5 years old debian
[11:51] <christoph_debian> IIRC it mentions RPM so rather no?
[11:51] <gregoiregentil> _koen_ ;-) I guess that it's just the marketing announcement. The battle of engineers will start after to decide what to do...
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[12:05] <DJWillis> christoph_debian: the RPM comes from the Moblin side, no idea how it will all pan out.
[12:05] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: great to see you back
[12:06] <gregoiregentil> Thanks!
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[12:09] <_koen_> gregoiregentil: you escaped just before new year?
[12:10] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: at least you go out to China, I guess it helps get things done, worthwhile trip?
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[12:18] <gregoiregentil> As usual. Good and bad when I go to China. Some interesting stuff, some stuff for which they are late and didn't understand anything!
[12:19] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: I only get half the OP story but it sounds just about the same for us ;-).
[12:20] <leinir> gregoiregentil: the battle of engineers is going on right now in #meego ;)
[12:21] <leinir> sorry, the bikeshedding ;)
[12:21] <leinir> (lots of people going "ohnoes, rpm aer teh wah!!11eleventyone", and forgetting that it's the package manager that does the actual dependency handling ;) )
[12:26] <_koen_> which rpm?
[12:26] <_koen_> offcial RPM, the redhat fork or the suse fork?
[12:29] <leinir> NO idea :)
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[12:30] <DJWillis> leinir: just paint it blue and have done with it, I suspect there will be some big high profile bun fights in the comming weeks ;-)
[12:31] <leinir> Interestingly, this one will be developed the same way Qt is now :)
[12:32] <leinir> Rather than the semi-closed way Maemo is developed, MeeGo is going to be hosted by the Linux Foundation and all the code available in a git repository :)
[12:32] <leinir> This is something which makes me a very happy bunny :)
[12:33] * DJWillis wonders where this leaves OpenedHand and the likes
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[14:02] <martinh> w
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[17:19] <sbahra> So, if I order the keyboard and the tablet separately I'll pay $1 less than paying for the netbook?
[17:24] <gregoiregentil> Correct! but then you will put behind on the waiting list as we give preference to full order. Also, shipping could be more expensive (I have not checked this recently but I believe so)
[17:36] <zooko`> Aha! An AI employee!
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[17:40] <sbahra> zooko, and founder.
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[17:43] <niloc132> has anyone spent any time working with the qemu emulator? I'm trying the instructions on http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Qemu
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[19:30] <gregoiregentil> I tried a long time ago and I worked with McMullan (who helped). But there were some bugs that we didn't manage to fix
[19:30] <gregoiregentil> niloc132: the problem is that I don't remember well the bugs we had to cope with
[19:31] <niloc132> ok - i found some logs from a month or so ago, you and corsac talking
[19:31] <gregoiregentil> yup. Corsac didn't succed. McMullan went further
[19:31] <niloc132> i've got it up and running, but x never finishes starting, and makes using the terminal difficult
[19:31] <gregoiregentil> Cool. I'm interested ;-)
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[19:32] <gregoiregentil> so what did you do? Just follow the tutorial?
[19:32] <niloc132> yeah, at the wiki page
[19:33] <niloc132> found a few other resources, but my linux experience (except for a little bit of uml) is entirely limited to x86 systems - systems that had most of the problems solved
[19:34] <niloc132> uml (user mode linux) doesnt teach one much about emulation, since it is just a way to turn the linux kernel into an app that can run on top of an existing install
[19:37] <niloc132> i think i read that the various os's are squashfs images in a dir on the sd image/card?
[19:38] <gregoiregentil> correct
[19:39] <zooko> gregoiregentil: FYI, I'm pretty sure I'm going to pay USD 399 as soon as the web page says "Now shipping" instead of "back order".
[19:40] <zooko> Unless I get cold feet again and decide to wait for a Pixel Qi screen on my ultimate netbook of the future.
[19:40] <gregoiregentil> ok!
[19:40] <gregoiregentil> Pixel Qi: I m skeptical about that. A lot of talk but at the end, I haven't yet seen their screen in any product...
[19:40] <zooko> I have.
[19:40] <zooko> It looked very nice.
[19:41] <gregoiregentil> "any product" meaning a product that you can buy somewhere
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[19:41] <zooko> Ah, I don't know if that was a purchasable thing. I guess not, from what you say.
[19:44] <zooko> Hm, sounds like they are doing okay: http://www.pixelqi.com/blog1/
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[19:50] <gregoiregentil> niloc132: still there?
[19:50] <niloc132> indeed - im looking into bitbake to try building my own images
[19:50] <gregoiregentil> cool
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> what did you manage to do for this qemu?
[19:51] <niloc132> figure if i can build an image, even if it only gets me as far as i am, ill learn something
[19:51] <niloc132> to get it running? or what can it do?
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> I still have the same problem that I get a black screen in the qemu window
[19:51] <niloc132> ok
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> after the kernel boots
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> did you go further?
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> which OS are you running on?
[19:51] <niloc132> im on a mac, but since bitbake is python, seems as though i should be able to get it going
[19:52] <niloc132> i got as far as playing with building a sample app, and trying to kill of whatever keeps respawning x
[19:52] <gregoiregentil> I'm not sure to undersand
[19:52] <gregoiregentil> are you talking about qemu?
[19:52] <gregoiregentil> so you saw the red progress bar?
[19:53] <niloc132> yeah
[19:53] <niloc132> even the os picker for a split second
[19:53] <gregoiregentil> Super strange ;-)
[19:53] <niloc132> tried a few times to get it to listen to me, and try a different os
[19:53] <niloc132> no luck
[19:53] <gregoiregentil> can you send a screenshot?
[19:53] <gregoiregentil> also, which command line did you use?
[19:53] <niloc132> of which part?
[19:54] <gregoiregentil> to launch qemu, which command line?
[19:54] <niloc132> ~/.local/bin/qemu-system-arm -M touchbook -m 1024 -sd sd-card -serial stdio, straight out of the wiki page, plus a little ram
[19:55] <gregoiregentil> I need to see it to believe it...
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[20:00] <niloc132> which screenshots did you want? or just the general progression of 'almost works... almost works... almost... oh, black screen'
[20:03] <gregoiregentil> When I investigated with the author, we were blocked by some kernel problem that prevented it from working. so that you can see and select an OS (which in the initramfs) sounds strange to me. Also, you have less chance to make work by increasing the memory.
[20:03] <gregoiregentil> the kernel has some specific patches to handle more than 256MB and it's not supported by qemu
[20:05] <niloc132> ok, good to know - would it be wise to restrict the memory further than the prescribed 512?
[20:06] <niloc132> the image that shows the different os's is not displayed correctly, and about that time i see an error message:
[20:06] <niloc132> initramfs: Loading /initrd.d/99-psplash.sh module
[20:06] <niloc132> mount: mounting /mnt/.splash on /mnt/mnt/.splash failed: No such file or directory
[20:10] <gregoiregentil> yes. I would recommend to use 256
[20:11] <gregoiregentil> you still go further than me - which is strange.
[20:11] <niloc132> haha
[20:11] <gregoiregentil> those messages "normal" they appear on the first console during boot
[20:12] <drantin> is there a way to order the balance shim thing without an order number? I bought mine from my dad, and he apparently deleted all the shipping notices and whatnot :/
[20:15] <niloc132> im booting with -m 256, but the log reads
[20:15] <niloc132> OMAP35XX-GP ES3.0, CPU-OPP2 L3-165MHz
[20:15] <niloc132> OMAP3 Beagle board + LPDDR/NAND
[20:15] <niloc132> DRAM: 128 MB
[20:15] <niloc132> NAND: 256 MiB
[20:15] <niloc132> *** Warning - bad CRC or NAND, using default environment
[20:15] <niloc132> does -m indicate nand space, not ram?
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[20:29] <gregoiregentil> it should indicate RAM
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[20:30] <gregoiregentil> but due to some patches in u-boot/x-loader, I'm not totally surprised that qemu is confused
[20:32] <niloc132> fair enough
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