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[0:46] <raksta_ss> I hate TWL4030_MAIN_CHARGE_WDKEY
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[2:21] <raksta_ss> Why i only get 500mA charging current for this http://reonic.ath.cx:8000/Public/twl4030.c?
[2:22] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: aren't you charging by USB?
[2:22] <raksta_ss> Not enymore.
[2:22] <raksta_ss> USB does not give enought power both charging and running.
[2:23] <Mrkva> well, it can be limited to draw only 500mA from USB
[2:26] <raksta_ss> Well see :)
[2:27] <Mrkva> or it's the max charging current for the battery
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[2:41] <raksta_ss> I do not think that it is the max for battery coz, when i plug the battery to key part and set AC to it, the current is about 1A
[2:43] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: that'd be OK
[2:43] <Mrkva> bottom battery is twice as big as the top one :)
[2:43] <raksta_ss> Yes but you can also charge the top batter in key part :-)
[2:45] <Mrkva> yes
[2:45] <Mrkva> and if you measure 1A, its current flowing to the top battery only?
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[2:47] <raksta_ss> eeeh, you obviously misunderstood me, i meant that when you take the top and key parts apart and start charging top battery with key part. (remove the top battery from top casing and insert it to key part)
[2:49] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: so you've placed top battery to the bottom part, right?
[2:50] <raksta_ss> Yep, but it was only for testing that can the battery handle more than 500mA.
[2:51] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: well, it was the battery only? or there was some charging circuitry with it?
[2:52] <raksta_ss> Charging circuit, it is the key part native one.
[2:52] <Mrkva> okay, so only battery without any active electronic parts?
[2:53] <raksta_ss> No
[2:54] <raksta_ss> There is at least one charging circuit include both top part and bottom, oh so i have understood it.
[2:55] <raksta_ss> So there is one charging circuit in key part and one top part. Key parts circuit gives 1A and top 500mA
[2:55] <Mrkva> because I think if you swaped the two batteries (only batteries, no charging circuitry) the electronics don't have any chance to know that there is different battery - so it'll push the current that is programmed to (for the big battery)
[2:55] <raksta_ss> That would be the case :/
[2:56] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: and it will probably kill your battery soon
[2:56] <Mrkva> did you know that overcharged LiOn battery can explode?
[2:57] <raksta_ss> But the problem in this is that if you read the swcu050d.pdf and theres "Battery Charger Interface and Backup Battery", then check my twl4020.c and see that i have set the charging current way more than 500mA, but it still is 500mA :-(
[2:58] <raksta_ss> Sorry with thoose currents and voltages, no worries :-)
[2:58] <raksta_ss> twl4030.c
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[3:13] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: well, there is a posibility that it's hardwired somewhere
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[3:28] <raksta_ss> I made it
[3:28] <raksta_ss> 700mA pure energy to the battery ;-P
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[3:28] <raksta_ss> Wou
[3:29] <raksta_ss> No key part, only top part :-)
[3:29] <raksta_ss> 0.68mA
[3:29] <raksta_ss> 0.68A
[3:29] <raksta_ss> 680mA
[3:29] <raksta_ss> This rock
[3:29] <raksta_ss> This is soooooo coooool
[3:32] <raksta_ss> "0.68mA" was litle typo
[3:32] <Mrkva> wait for the sooooooo hooooot flames from the battery
[3:34] <raksta_ss> :)
[3:36] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: by the way, what's voltage accross battery?
[3:39] <raksta_ss> 3.8V
[3:40] <raksta_ss> Thanks, almost forgot... /perception opmized for current/.
[3:42] <raksta_ss> TWL4030_MAIN_CHARGE_BCIICHG1:878
[3:42] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: isn't there any part No. of the battery?
[3:43] <Mrkva> maybe yours 680mA will be within limits
[3:44] <raksta_ss> It is the save batter as you have and the numbers below the metal thingie, it is the top parts battery.
[3:45] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: and by the way twl4030.c is what? kernel module I assume
[3:45] <raksta_ss> Yes you are corrent, but i do not intent to keep it 680mA pecause that would be not so good, but why i joy is that now i can really charge the battery, which before was not.... so clear.
[3:47] <raksta_ss> twl4030.c is from kernel yes, but if you read if and check the twl4030_charger_from_zoom.c you noticed that twl4030_charger_from_zoom.c is from kernel and i just booted this project from twl4030_charger_from_zoom.c, also notice that twl4030_charger_from_zoom.c is from omap zoom u-boot branch.
[3:47] <Mrkva> well, you've reduced charging time by some 30%
[3:48] <raksta_ss> Thou i must admit that i writed soooo much new into it, thou moset of it is just not neccessary, absolute garbish.
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[3:57] <Mrkva> weeel
[3:58] <Mrkva> does that mean that the top part will charge for some 8 hours?
[4:17] <raksta_ss> Hmmm... maybe i joyed too early, i cannot control the charge current :-( and when i measured the charging voltage by removing the battery and applyuin 100ohm resister, 4.7V noooot good.
[4:19] <Mrkva> raksta_ss: it charges by constant current at first!
[4:20] <raksta_ss> But i REALLY and i mean i really do not wanna test if it really stops the current at the 4.7V.
[4:21] <raksta_ss> And besides there is register which allow meddling with charging current, but i... just not get them to work ;-(
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[4:36] <raksta_ss> Damn it did not work, i used "Ac accessory supply enable"(TWL4030_MAIN_CHARGE_BCIMDKEY_EKEY4) so that explains why the current is so high and why the current nor the voltage can't be controlled :-(
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[5:32] <_koen_> DJWillis: I think the gst problems you were seeing should be solved now
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[11:53] <Meizirkki> Anyone here knows the TB hardware well?
[11:54] <Meizirkki> i have some questions
[11:54] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: have you broken something?
[11:54] <Meizirkki> My TB fails to boot
[11:54] <Meizirkki> USB power related
[11:54] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: eg. it won't boot when usb device is attached?
[11:55] <Meizirkki> It doesn't matter
[11:55] <Meizirkki> I can get it to boot if i press my finger agains a resistor on the mainboard, but the USB is still without any power
[11:56] <Meizirkki> err, i mean it does boot, but USB power is cut off and on 10 times per second
[11:56] <Meizirkki> and i get rid of that by touching the resistor
[11:56] <martinh> sounds like a solder joint popped off.
[11:57] <Meizirkki> nop
[11:58] <Meizirkki> if i just press the resistor down with something, nothing happens, but when i touch the right side of it (the connector) the screen stops flashing
[11:59] <Meizirkki> also, there's a capacitor near the bottom part connectors which gets mad hot while screen and USB power flash on and off
[11:59] <Meizirkki> i burned my thumb on it
[12:00] <Meizirkki> C182 gets hot, and R52 is the resistor which cuts off USB power when touched
[12:00] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: you're the guy with 25A PSU ? :)
[12:00] <Meizirkki> Mrkva, yup
[12:01] <Meizirkki> The problem started when i had my TB in a schoolbag for 3 hours, when i took it off it had ran out of battery
[12:01] <Meizirkki> and when i tried to boot it, this happened
[12:01] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: well, the resistor issue really looks like cold joint
[12:01] <Meizirkki> I think it might have gotten a lot of heat in the bag.. :/
[12:02] <Mrkva> but about the capacitor? many part sometimes get VERY hot
[12:02] <Meizirkki> Well, there's another spot on the board which does the same the resistor does
[12:03] <Meizirkki> (i mean cuts off USB power by touch)
[12:03] <Meizirkki> Mrkva, i have a blister on my finger thanks to the capacitor, it didn't get _that_ hot before this USB power issue
[12:04] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: is it hotter than 100DEGC?
[12:04] <Mrkva> if yes, then there's definetely a problem
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[12:05] <Mrkva> didn't touchbook suffered from rough handling? impact? etc.
[12:05] <Meizirkki> nop
[12:05] <Meizirkki> The error message is: over-current change on port [1/2/3/4/5/6/7]
[12:05] <Meizirkki> it repeats that on the screen
[12:05] <Meizirkki> I remeber someone mentioned this on farums long ago, but didn't find it anymore
[12:05] <Meizirkki> forums*
[12:07] <Mrkva> sorry, here i have no idea
[12:07] * Meizirkki drops some water on the capacitor to see if it's over 100 C
[12:08] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: not a good idea :) wet finger is enough
[12:08] <Mrkva> if you don't know, water can be conductive
[12:08] <Mrkva> :D
[12:08] <Meizirkki> nah, i don't want to burn another finger :/
[12:08] <Mrkva> you won't
[12:10] <Meizirkki> O_o it does dry a wet piece of paper...
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[12:12] <Meizirkki> Well, at least i can use it in offline and touchscreen only
[12:13] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: so the problem is when bottom part is attached?
[12:13] <Mrkva> by the way - here are schematics
[12:14] <Meizirkki> <Mrkva> Meizirkki: so the problem is when bottom part is attached?
[12:14] <Meizirkki> no
[12:14] <Mrkva> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/company/design.htm
[12:14] <Meizirkki> it does not matter if the bottom part is attached or not
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[12:15] <Mrkva> then I don't get this msg from you:20:15 < Meizirkki> Well, at least i can use it in offline and touchscreen only
[12:15] <Meizirkki> Mrkva, thanks, i got to take a look at that
[12:16] <Meizirkki> Mrkva, the device does boot up if i hold my finger on the resistor. BUT there's no power on the USB. (=no keyboard. no wlan)
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[12:17] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: and after the boot you can remove the finger from the resistor without powering off?
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[12:17] <Meizirkki> yes
[12:17] <Meizirkki> Mrkva, touching the resistor throws some error and cuts off all USB power
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[12:20] <Meizirkki> Mrkva, i almost forgot i took a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqacYlK2YGo
[12:21] <Meizirkki> Damn my finger hurts >_>
[12:24] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: so the touching the resistor reboots TB?
[12:25] <Meizirkki> no
[12:25] <Mrkva> looked like on the video
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[12:25] <Meizirkki> it just cuts off all power from USB and blanks the screen for a short while (just like when inserting an USB dongle)
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[13:56] * Mrkva is studying TB schematics... interesting :)
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[14:15] <tommd> Mrkva: Now you just need the solidworks files and the eagle (or did he use gEDA?) layout!
[14:15] <Mrkva> no, I'm not going to make my own touchbook
[14:16] <tommd> :-)
[14:16] <tommd> But do you know what schematic tool was used? Was it eagle?
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[14:18] <Mrkva> well, this don't looks like eagle schematics
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[14:18] <tommd> That's what I thought, but I haven't looked at eagle stuff for a while.
[14:19] * Mrkva is going to make some (hopefully not transistors-blowing) DRSSTC driver :)
[14:20] <josch> hey guys! i ordered a tb a week or so ago and immediately got the invoice/confirmation mail from contact@alwaysinnovating.com - what mail is next to arrive and from which address? i want to make sure that my spamfilter doesnt eat it
[14:20] <Mrkva> actually, the free version PCB is quite small for my needs
[14:21] <Mrkva> josch: still contact
[14:21] <josch> Mrkva: thx :)
[14:22] <josch> i heard a big batch will be processed this month - is there any information on the date of the next batch yet?
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[14:22] <tommd> josch: You'd have to ask Gregoire.
[14:22] <tommd> He isn't here right now.
[14:22] <josch> mkay :)
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[14:24] <Mrkva> josch: well, my order (from december) was processed yesterday
[14:25] <josch> wow good to hear! \o/
[14:25] <josch> Mrkva: congrats
[14:25] <josch> i so cannot await the arrival of mine :)
[14:25] <Mrkva> josch: not so good
[14:25] <Mrkva> josch: now I have nor money nor touchbook
[14:25] <Mrkva> :D
[14:26] <josch> Mrkva: ah :D
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[18:33] <raksta_ss> Do i miss something or is are there misssing something from AI-TB-schematics example U23?
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[18:42] <tommd> On page 14?
[18:45] <tommd> raksta_ss: It seems to closely match the recommended use.
[18:45] <raksta_ss> tommd, "recommended use"?
[18:46] <tommd> raksta_ss: http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp?navId=H0,C1,C1003,C1142,C1079,P2220
[18:48] <raksta_ss> tommd, do you where the battery go from bottom part P13 headers pin 7? and what is done with it?
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[20:37] <raksta_ss> Am i wrong or is there truly no way to enable USB-chaging? this assume is made because there is missing something from ICTLUSB1 and ICTLUSB2.
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[21:49] <tommd> You mean usb charging? As in charging the TB over the gadget USB?
[21:50] <tommd> No, I wouldn't expect that.
[21:55] <raksta_ss> Ehh.... i meant that if you plug the mini usb from host to top parts bottom connector (next to DC-jack), you cannot use that power what the host provides (500mA 5V) to charge the battery, this is because there are missing some components :-(
[22:09] <tommd> Yeah, that's what I figured you ment. It isn't too surprising that it doesn't charge this way - I just glad to have the mini-usb connection in the first place.
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